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      12-11-2007, 11:12 AM   #199
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In the Kommunist Republic of Kanada, the Dinan SW is $2400 CDN (which is $2400 USD! with current exchange rates) plus an hour of labor.

It is confirmed that the 08 3 series use the D-CAN cable to upload software to the ECU. Unfortunately all the Dinan MIPP cards + programmers use the PT-CAN. So for 08 3er, you need to send in your ECU, major PITA.

I noted the PT-CAN / D-CAN distinction awhile ago when I had my M6 programmed.... Because of the way Dinan controls the licensing with their programmers, they are not keeping up with BMW and the way BMW programs their ECUs.

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That is a joke. Effin people. Should be the same price. There is no duty on it. Just shipping it up to load into the programmer.

BMWCA needs their piece of *ss. Joke.
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      12-11-2007, 11:25 AM   #200
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well there flash is up don dinan's site now. including a pdf format about it.

they used 93 octane and a 85mph fan. not bad lma0o. and there still worried about heat. they got some high standards.
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Hmmm...just noticed this on the Dinan website:

Emission Status: 49 State Emission Legal

No Dinan for the Republik of Kalifornia?
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      12-11-2007, 11:34 AM   #202
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Applicable to Philippine E93?
I'm sure it'll fit... but do you have any Dinan dealers in the Philippines?
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In the Kommunist Republic of Kanada, the Dinan SW is $2400 CDN (which is $2400 USD! with current exchange rates) plus an hour of labor.

It is confirmed that the 08 3 series use the D-CAN cable to upload software to the ECU. Unfortunately all the Dinan MIPP cards + programmers use the PT-CAN. So for 08 3er, you need to send in your ECU, major PITA.

I noted the PT-CAN / D-CAN distinction awhile ago when I had my M6 programmed.... Because of the way Dinan controls the licensing with their programmers, they are not keeping up with BMW and the way BMW programs their ECUs.

Have fun!
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That is a joke. Effin people. Should be the same price. There is no duty on it. Just shipping it up to load into the programmer.

BMWCA needs their piece of *ss. Joke.
I guess we have to take it in the ear once again here in Canookistan. Yes think of the shipping costs associated with sending software these days!

Sparky, maybe we can can get a spark* group discount at one of the Edmonchuk Dinan dealers this spring if we decide to go with this.
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      12-11-2007, 12:12 PM   #204
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I'm sure it'll fit... but do you have any Dinan dealers in the Philippines?
No dealers here. But the local BMW dealer is an expert in fitting aftermarket parts.
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      12-11-2007, 12:19 PM   #205
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I guess we have to take it in the ear once again here in Canookistan. Yes think of the shipping costs associated with sending software these days!

Sparky, maybe we can can get a spark* group discount at one of the Edmonchuk Dinan dealers this spring if we decide to go with this.
Wouldn't it be better to take a road trip and drive across the border to get the flash done?

Edit: Opps, not if you have an 08!
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Wouldn't it be better to take a road trip and drive across the border to get the flash done?

Edit: Opps, not if you have an 08!
Possibly, if the border and the nearest US Dinan dealer weren't so far away from me. As it is, I'd far exceed the price difference in gas and hotels - not to mention the PITA long long drive. Anyway, I'd think a US Dinan warranty would be pretty much useless to me and all I'd end up accomplishing is definitely voiding my Canadian BMW one. Kinda defeats the purpose.

Oh well, I'll just have to get my nostrils widened even more than they are - since I'll be paying through them.
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Oh well, I'll just have to get my nostrils widened even more than they are - since I'll be paying through them.
Another option would be to pool together with other like minded guys. If you have say 10 guys you could each deposit $1500 in some sort of long term investment fund, and agree to use money from that fund to cover any repairs. And close the fund after 5 years returning the money and profit back to those who invested.

Then pick the piggy of your choice...
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      12-11-2007, 03:13 PM   #208
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Not sure why everyone has to make a huge distinction between a "normal" bmw driver and a "enthusiast." I'm not a gearhead...I don't fully understand the more complicated engine diagnostic terminology used, but what I do know is that I love driving my 335. How many of you have been to the BMW driving school? I'm going in Feb..for free. Does that make me an enthusiast? Am I a real "driver" now?
I'm very interested in the Dinan product. It's straight from the dealer and it doesn't void my warranty...peace of mind is priceless. Does it give me the most bang for the buck...hp...no...peace of mind....yes.

and by the way...I really don't like getting my hands greasy. I like them nice and clean behind the wheel of my great 335.
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How many of you have been to the BMW driving school? I'm going in Feb..for free. Does that make me an enthusiast? Am I a real "driver" now?
No, you're not. It's the same delta as entering vs. graduating college.

Although the fact that you're expressing an interest is promising...
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Anyone know is Dinan provides free updates to the tune, as do the piggyback tuners via their websites? Obviuosly it would mean a visit to your authorized Dinan BMW dealer for an update flash, but I would still want that "most up-to-date" map availability (free! Not another $300 "install" at the dealer).
Obviously, as Dinan said in their own press release, they hope to increase the power gains significantly. People who buy this today should have the ability to get the newer, better maps in the future at no additional cost.
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Not sure why everyone has to make a huge distinction between a "normal" bmw driver and a "enthusiast." I'm not a gearhead...I don't fully understand the more complicated engine diagnostic terminology used, but what I do know is that I love driving my 335. How many of you have been to the BMW driving school? I'm going in Feb..for free. Does that make me an enthusiast? Am I a real "driver" now?
I'm very interested in the Dinan product. It's straight from the dealer and it doesn't void my warranty...peace of mind is priceless. Does it give me the most bang for the buck...hp...no...peace of mind....yes.

and by the way...I really don't like getting my hands greasy. I like them nice and clean behind the wheel of my great 335.
Your hands don't get greasy installing a piggyback. A little dusty and a scratch or two sometimes.
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The thing that everybody seems to dismiss here is the fact that the factory DME is being flashed. That means Dinan controls the DME which means that they understand all of the functions of the DME, including knock sensors, boost, water temp, etc. Piggybacks are band aids that give artificial signals to the DME they are not functioning with the car's diagnostics but against them. I spent 48k on my car spending another thousand for a tune from a tuner who knows how to control the very sophisticated functions of a vehicles DME is valuable.

The cost of cracking a DME and doing something called R&D is VERY expensive. The man hours spent getting control of the DME and reverse engineering it add up.

I will be selling my TT and going to this software for my car for two simple reasons, Dinan controls the DME and can properly tune the car and it removes my speed limiter.

The other major question people never seem to ask is why would you introduce a piggy back computer if you could control the more capable factory DME. That is the single most important point that people miss.

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Shiv or Terry, you guys gonna get the dinan flash. you guys usually test the tunes out there just for kicks anways.
I won't buy it myself, but hopefully will get to check it out on a customer car and see if there is potential to tweak it a bit.
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I guess we have to take it in the ear once again here in Canookistan. Yes think of the shipping costs associated with sending software these days!

Sparky, maybe we can can get a spark* group discount at one of the Edmonchuk Dinan dealers this spring if we decide to go with this.
Yeah, we can work something out. Hopefully by then I won't have to send my ECU away.
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Another option would be to pool together with other like minded guys. If you have say 10 guys you could each deposit $1500 in some sort of long term investment fund, and agree to use money from that fund to cover any repairs. And close the fund after 5 years returning the money and profit back to those who invested.

Then pick the piggy of your choice...
Not to mention it is not for sure that your car will have a problem, and if it does it still may be covered by BMW unless they prove you have a piggy.
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What bothers me is that Stan hasnt come back on this forum to adress any of the questions surrounding the flash.
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      12-11-2007, 07:17 PM   #217
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Stan, quite impressive...$2000 sounds like a fair price for the power and warranty...the $2000 for the larger oil cooler sounds a bit high...that really starts adding up.

My question is this...you state the gains and in my book they don't add up correctly. You state a 52hp gain and yet total hp is rating at 384...if I am correct the car comes with 300hp which would be an 84h gain, not 52hp. I am assuming this is all hp at the crank, not the rear wheels or the numbers would be even further out of wack.

Being the nice guy that I am, I am willing to beta test this product for you at absolutely no charge. I believe my region and climate will allow you to conduct very diversified testing covering a large spectrum...I am also willing to test the other mods you have available if you need me to...please let me know which dealership will be installing your phenominal products into my 335xi and when I should have my car there.

Congratulations on putting together such a great product, I am looking forward to seeing everyones reaction after the initial products are put into customer cars. Great work!
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What bothers me is that Stan hasnt come back on this forum to adress any of the questions surrounding the flash.
He has no reason to, people will buy it pretty much regardless.
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Yeah, we can work something out. Hopefully by then I won't have to send my ECU away.

You do need to send it off. The 2008 ECU uses D-CAN....

Seems that Dinan isn't or unwilling to equip its dealers with D-CAN programmers in addition to the PT-CAN programmers.

You figure at $2000 per license for some 010010010011's they would have money to get D-CAN programmers out to the dealers.
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Once you pay for Dinan software it is yours for life it can be reloaded 1 million times without cost to you. If you go in for a major service and it is not a Dinan dealer that has the ability to reflash your car using the MIPP tool then you have two choices.

1) Have them take out the ECU that is labeled "DME" and send it to Dinan to get benched flashed. It will be two days worth of air mail and 15 minutes on Dinans computer.

2) Drive carefully to the closest Dinan flash tool and have it reloaded when your service is done.

some info from the m5boards... Tbone where u at
That would be a major PITA!
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