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      02-28-2006, 08:49 PM   #23
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i raced a 6 speed manual. the other night. i took his ass 4 times before he finally pulled up next to me at a light and said "Nice car, quick as hell, but i just couldnt do it"

Raced him 2 times off a light had him by 1 car length the first time cause i spun a bit. 2nd time i had an awsome launch at 4K rpm with barely any spin that got me 2 cars on him. Then we did a 2nd gear pull at 40 MPH - 90MPH also took him, then i slowed down to about 70, i could tell he got pissed. Downshifts, i hear the loud roar of that sexy exhuast of his with a puff a black smoke. took me less then .2 seconds to react before i was in 3rd also and pulling on him till about 120.

If you got a stick and you know how to drive. Against an auto youll beat it.

One day my aunt was talkin smack in her automatic G35 coupe about my moms 330xi. and that her car is faster. I was like hmm.. so i took my moms car and we jumped all in and drove down the street to a vacant road. the 330xi vs her auto where pretty much even. Then my bro opened up his mouth and said my 330 would tear her up lol (I raced my dad when he drove the 330xi off the line to like 100mph) No contest, so i knew i was going to eat up the auto G35. Well she didnt beleive it so we drove up the street back home got my car went back down. and i killed her. LOL

Lot of that shit goes on here people in there Cars tryin to race and shit. So far i have beat the G35, Slighly on the Is350 but i would call that about dead even, beat a 350z i got semi spanked by a STi off a light, whooped on a Mustang GT which was modded a bit. I posted vids somewhere i have to find the link. Ohh and i got killed by a 996 Turbo lol i just raced it for fun, beat a 04 6 speed 330Ci ZHP (not by much). Ohh and distroyed my Girl friends MINI cooper S lmao.

If u know hot to drive dont worry, if u can drive ull beatem.. Post a vid if u can. Ill be workin on a vid with my 330 vs IS350 as soon as my girl can get one of the Techs over at lexus to come out one day for a comparo (she works at lexus) good luck, stay safe and have fun.
Wow, I call BS on this entire post. The 330XI is so friggin heavy, there's no way it could take an Auto g35.

Also, my buddy raced his his 04 6mt coupe..(which has less power than the newer 6mt's, by the way) against his friends '06 330i 6mt

The g35 coupe pulled about 1 or 2 car lengths on the quarter mile.

And if you want to mag race, the 330i is considerably slower than the G35 coupe...and the IS 350.

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My friend got his G35 4dr 6-speed....he wants to race me....i told him to wait after the 1200 mile barrier....then we will handle some business
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of course the G is faster. 298hp compared to E90's 255. It's got more torque than the E90 and both cars weigh about the same. But here's a question for ya "if the G is obviously faster, assuming people are into 0-60 and 1/4 mile times, howcome so many of bought the E90 over the G???"

Im just letting it out cus I have some friends who kept saying "you shoulda gotten a G35". It really annoyed the shit out of me. Yes I know it's faster, but I drove one and didnt like it at all. It sure looks nice on the outside, but it just didnt do it for me. I seriously dont care if the G can go from 0-60 in 4 seconds. Shoot the IS350 has 306hp and can out run the E90 any day, and yet I bought an E90 instead. It just drives me crazy to see how many E90 vs IS vs G35 threads there are.
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my best friend has a G35 coupe (automatic) and we have raced in my 330 (auto) probably 100 times. We have done dead stops, and started at every speed from 5-90. In all honesty his car is simply faster. I can probably win 1/4 of the races because it all depends who spins more. The g35 can really throw out the rear end. Through the corners though, its no contest id take my car any day. The g35 seems to have to much tourque for the corners or maybe its just not a great handler in general, but those back tires never stay in place.

as much as i hate to admit it.... g35 is faster, so you should probably expect to lose

There's absolutely no doubt that the G35 is faster than the 330 or 325 in a straight line.

But the BMW definitely handles better out of the box stock vs. stock against a g35 coupe or sedan. Handling is definitely where the BMW shines, really against every car in it's class.
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of course the G is faster. 298hp compared to E90's 255. It's got more torque than the E90 and both cars weigh about the same. But here's a question for ya "if the G is obviously faster, assuming people are into 0-60 and 1/4 mile times, howcome so many of bought the E90 over the G???"

Im just letting it out cus I have some friends who kept saying "you shoulda gotten a G35". It really annoyed the shit out of me. Yes I know it's faster, but I drove one and didnt like it at all. It sure looks nice on the outside, but it just didnt do it for me. I seriously dont care if the G can go from 0-60 in 4 seconds. Shoot the IS350 has 306hp and can out run the E90 any day, and yet I bought an E90 instead. It just drives me crazy to see how many E90 vs IS vs G35 threads there are.
Well, more people buy the BMW because it's definitely has excellent marketing working for it "buy the badge"...because it's German...and because it's really more well rounded, even though it costs more.

My lease is out in about 2 months and I keep agonizing over whether I should spend the extra bucks for BMW, or go with the g35 and modify with the money saved. Both great cars, tought decision really.

You will always continue to see IS vs G35 vs 3 series threads just because they are all in similar price ranges and class of "Entry Level Luxury Sports Cars" that are rear wheel drive. And it would just be plain snobby to say the G35 or the IS isn't in the same league as the 3 series, IMHO.
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Wow, I call BS on this entire post. The 330XI is so friggin heavy, there's no way it could take an Auto g35.

Also, my buddy raced his his 04 6mt coupe..(which has less power than the newer 6mt's, by the way) against his friends '06 330i 6mt

The g35 coupe pulled about 1 or 2 car lengths on the quarter mile.

And if you want to mag race, the 330i is considerably slower than the G35 coupe...and the IS 350.

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so confident. Ill put 10K down on a race. Bring your G35 since your so confident its faster, you should have no problem taking this offer of $10K if you KNOW you will win. Come on down and bring your check book. I would love for someone like you to sponsor me 10K for that turbo kit. Lmao

Mag racing? Lets expalin why the 330 ranged from 5.4 to 6.1 from mag to mag to 60. and why lexus also from 5.4 to 5.9 and lexus claims an offical number of 5.6 Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm My girl works at lexus, and she says how everyone there knows how the 330 is a better overall car, and how the says guys lie to the customers and point out BMWs glitches. LMAO ... Ohh they tested it in Germany lmao i think they need to put a little more german Badges in the grill of the IS.. I had some respect for lexus till i saw the current brochure on the IS.


a e90 325i was dynoed with a 6.5% power train loss which the car produced 201 HP @ the wheels...
6.5 % is pretty much on target as my 2002 330Ci dynoed 206 Wheel HP with the 3.0L 225 hp engine.
Taking this into consideration - since i havent gotten a chance to the dyno done on my e90 330 yet. the car should be producing something along 230-240 HP to the wheels. Being that an automatic trans in the is350, the lexus techs claim an 18% power train loss brings the IS down to 251 Wheel HP.
Also knowing the fact that Jap cars are over rated and BMW is underrated maybe slightly lower numbers on the is350.

Now taking weight into consideration:

the IS350 is about 150 LBS more in weight
the 330 reaches max tourqe at around 2700 RPM alot quicker than lexus's 4,800 max tourqe mark. Tourqe is important off the line. BMW reaches it quicker it it should pull along side the IS which produces 277 ft-tq vs 220 in the 330.

always remember torque gets you there, Horsepower keeps you there.

Taking all these facts and numbers and putting them all together would explain the range of 0-60 testing on these cars by a magazine.
also some magazines are bias vs some cars and stuff so youll never know. Ill catch one of the lexus techs out with an IS350 demo one day. Ill make sure we record it.


150LBS less + 6.5% drivetrainloss on the BMW will justify a 50 Crank HP difference in a heavier car with an 18% power train loss.. Go do the math..
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A 330i simply is not gonna beat a G35, coupe or sedan. The reason why more get the 330i is not bc of speed only, more bc of the handling, finish, quality and simply bc its a BMW(better name brand).
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i have raced the G35 coupe in stick on a freeway for 20 minutes, the G35C is strong, but not as strong as the 330 especially on highway speeds (80-140)
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one thing i always think though.... the BMW automatic tranny sucks... when i do indeed race my friend in his g35 its all even up to 30, then when the i switch gears hes pullin and then at 60 to go into 3rd hes gone. I hate the bmw auto tranny, so im sure a good manual driver could do a lot better than my steptronic piece of shit
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You don't necessarily have to shift yourself, just bust that sucks in DS and put the pedal to the metal. I've found that the car accelerates much more sharply and smoothly in DS than my own shifting.
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Ive raced my friends G35c auto with a pop charger and won. 0-100 i have about a hood length, 100-120 even, 120-limiter i take off. The g35c is a VERY strong car and for its price it is a very good value.
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i raced a 6 speed manual. the other night. i took his ass 4 times before he finally pulled up next to me at a light and said "Nice car, quick as hell, but i just couldnt do it"

Raced him 2 times off a light had him by 1 car length the first time cause i spun a bit. 2nd time i had an awsome launch at 4K rpm with barely any spin that got me 2 cars on him. Then we did a 2nd gear pull at 40 MPH - 90MPH also took him, then i slowed down to about 70, i could tell he got pissed. Downshifts, i hear the loud roar of that sexy exhuast of his with a puff a black smoke. took me less then .2 seconds to react before i was in 3rd also and pulling on him till about 120.

If you got a stick and you know how to drive. Against an auto youll beat it.

One day my aunt was talkin smack in her automatic G35 coupe about my moms 330xi. and that her car is faster. I was like hmm.. so i took my moms car and we jumped all in and drove down the street to a vacant road. the 330xi vs her auto where pretty much even. Then my bro opened up his mouth and said my 330 would tear her up lol (I raced my dad when he drove the 330xi off the line to like 100mph) No contest, so i knew i was going to eat up the auto G35. Well she didnt beleive it so we drove up the street back home got my car went back down. and i killed her. LOL

Lot of that shit goes on here people in there Cars tryin to race and shit. So far i have beat the G35, Slighly on the Is350 but i would call that about dead even, beat a 350z i got semi spanked by a STi off a light, whooped on a Mustang GT which was modded a bit. I posted vids somewhere i have to find the link. Ohh and i got killed by a 996 Turbo lol i just raced it for fun, beat a 04 6 speed 330Ci ZHP (not by much). Ohh and distroyed my Girl friends MINI cooper S lmao.

If u know hot to drive dont worry, if u can drive ull beatem.. Post a vid if u can. Ill be workin on a vid with my 330 vs IS350 as soon as my girl can get one of the Techs over at lexus to come out one day for a comparo (she works at lexus) good luck, stay safe and have fun.

Is your car stock?
Just curious. I had a '01 330(e46) and a '03 G35 and the 330 was better on the curves but the g35 was faster in a straight line. This is also the case with the Is350. It's faster than a e90 but the e90 handles better.
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What I find weird is why the current 330 engine is not as powerful as the old E36 3.0 ?

A few years back I test drove the E46 330i and it didn't really feel any quicker than my E36 325i at the time, so I ended up buying a 1 year old M3 Evo instead which went like like the proverbial off the shovel. Even the 286bhp 3.0L M3 could hit 60 in 5.3 seconds (UK).
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What I find weird is why the current 330 engine is not as powerful as the old E36 3.0 ?

A few years back I test drove the E46 330i and it didn't really feel any quicker than my E36 325i at the time, so I ended up buying a 1 year old M3 Evo instead which went like like the proverbial off the shovel. Even the 286bhp 3.0L M3 could hit 60 in 5.3 seconds (UK).
Are you serious? Even E36 325i is lighter, E46 330i is faster. May be the lighter weight makes you "feel" faster? Or may be you're less sensitive in speed?
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you got one cool family dude. Racing aunts, dads, etc.. wow, must be a fun family.

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i raced a 6 speed manual. the other night. i took his ass 4 times before he finally pulled up next to me at a light and said "Nice car, quick as hell, but i just couldnt do it"

Raced him 2 times off a light had him by 1 car length the first time cause i spun a bit. 2nd time i had an awsome launch at 4K rpm with barely any spin that got me 2 cars on him. Then we did a 2nd gear pull at 40 MPH - 90MPH also took him, then i slowed down to about 70, i could tell he got pissed. Downshifts, i hear the loud roar of that sexy exhuast of his with a puff a black smoke. took me less then .2 seconds to react before i was in 3rd also and pulling on him till about 120.

If you got a stick and you know how to drive. Against an auto youll beat it.

One day my aunt was talkin smack in her automatic G35 coupe about my moms 330xi. and that her car is faster. I was like hmm.. so i took my moms car and we jumped all in and drove down the street to a vacant road. the 330xi vs her auto where pretty much even. Then my bro opened up his mouth and said my 330 would tear her up lol (I raced my dad when he drove the 330xi off the line to like 100mph) No contest, so i knew i was going to eat up the auto G35. Well she didnt beleive it so we drove up the street back home got my car went back down. and i killed her. LOL

Lot of that shit goes on here people in there Cars tryin to race and shit. So far i have beat the G35, Slighly on the Is350 but i would call that about dead even, beat a 350z i got semi spanked by a STi off a light, whooped on a Mustang GT which was modded a bit. I posted vids somewhere i have to find the link. Ohh and i got killed by a 996 Turbo lol i just raced it for fun, beat a 04 6 speed 330Ci ZHP (not by much). Ohh and distroyed my Girl friends MINI cooper S lmao.

If u know hot to drive dont worry, if u can drive ull beatem.. Post a vid if u can. Ill be workin on a vid with my 330 vs IS350 as soon as my girl can get one of the Techs over at lexus to come out one day for a comparo (she works at lexus) good luck, stay safe and have fun.
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I can only go by my experience! When I purchased my 325i I really wanted a 328i but couldn't afford one at the time. When it came around to trade in, the E46 330i was out and I borrowed one from the local dealer for the afternoon - I really didn't find it to be much different. Sure, on paper there is a difference but at the time it wasn't the jump I expected. What put me off was a short race with another chap in an Audi S3 and the 330i could only just keep up with it.

Then I took an M3 Evo for a spin and that was a dramatic shift up in performance - it absolutely blew the 330 away. Which comes back to my original point, the 330 engine is newer than the old M3 3.0L but still puts out less HP.



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Are you serious? Even E36 325i is lighter, E46 330i is faster. May be the lighter weight makes you "feel" faster? Or may be you're less sensitive in speed?
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Havn't personally raced a G35. I have, however beat some cars i should not have been able to beat, given 0-60 numbers and HP. I have an auto trans, and use DS usually, with DTC off.

Most of these have been from rolling starts, like from 40 to 60 mph. I think the E90 lays the power down better under real-life conditions. Its also much easier to drive fast and with with confidence.

BTW, the Japanese manufacturers cannot overrate HP any more. The rules changed, and they now have to use the same method and calculations as the Germans have been using.

Thats why the Japanese imports who did no modifications to the engines show less HP this year than last year's model.
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Havn't personally raced a G35. I have, however beat some cars i should not have been able to beat, given 0-60 numbers and HP. I have an auto trans, and use DS usually, with DTC off.

Most of these have been from rolling starts, like from 40 to 60 mph. I think the E90 lays the power down better under real-life conditions. Its also much easier to drive fast and with with confidence.

BTW, the Japanese manufacturers cannot overrate HP any more. The rules changed, and they now have to use the same method and calculations as the Germans have been using.

Thats why the Japanese imports who did no modifications to the engines show less HP this year than last year's model.
yea like acura claimed a 270 horse engine in the TL, i saw somewhere that is actually like 258 or something like that?
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Havn't personally raced a G35. I have, however beat some cars i should not have been able to beat, given 0-60 numbers and HP. I have an auto trans, and use DS usually, with DTC off.

Most of these have been from rolling starts, like from 40 to 60 mph. I think the E90 lays the power down better under real-life conditions. Its also much easier to drive fast and with with confidence.

BTW, the Japanese manufacturers cannot overrate HP any more. The rules changed, and they now have to use the same method and calculations as the Germans have been using.

Thats why the Japanese imports who did no modifications to the engines show less HP this year than last year's model.

Yeah you're right my dad's '01 LS430 was rated at 290 HP and now the '06 models have been bumped down to 276HP.

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I have no problem believing what you are saying. Everytime I drive my 330, esp in D/S mode I feel like I have A LOT more than just 255 HP. But for some reason i've noticed that from stand stop 0-60 it just doesnt feel as fast as when i floor it from 30-100. It seems to have A LOT of top end power. Also to the guy who's manually shifting in auto-big mistake. D\S mode is lightning fast compared to me doing it. I can't imagine anyone shifting like that thing does and how it when to hold the gear and when to let off. Without the d/s mode I think i might just hate the auto transmission. Also, my bro has an auto g35 so I will try to get him to test it with me. Ive driven it but its too hard to tell. The g35 feels like it takes off faster off the line but then the power gets less, unlike the 330 which feels slow off the line but then really starts taking off at 40. Honestly, in 40-100mph I think the 330 is faster but ill test them and see.
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Yeah you're right my dad's '01 LS430 was rated at 290 HP and now the '06 models have been bumped down to 276HP.

Artz330:
I have no problem believing what you are saying. Everytime I drive my 330, esp in D/S mode I feel like I have A LOT more than just 255 HP. But for some reason i've noticed that from stand stop 0-60 it just doesnt feel as fast as when i floor it from 30-100. It seems to have A LOT of top end power. Also to the guy who's manually shifting in auto-big mistake. D\S mode is lightning fast compared to me doing it. I can't imagine anyone shifting like that thing does and how it when to hold the gear and when to let off. Without the d/s mode I think i might just hate the auto transmission. Also, my bro has an auto g35 so I will try to get him to test it with me. Ive driven it but its too hard to tell. The g35 feels like it takes off faster off the line but then the power gets less, unlike the 330 which feels slow off the line but then really starts taking off at 40. Honestly, in 40-100mph I think the 330 is faster but ill test them and see.
Maybe its the autos then. my moms 330xi feels OK off the line, but hell when you have a stick and you can launch 4K with minimul spin then you can jump off the line quick. As soon as it gets warmer and the ground gets hott and the tires get stick. Ill post a vid on launching the 330 off the line, and youll see how quick it hits 60. I used to have a Gtech pro. I ran it on the street and at the track. in my old 330ci everytime i posted times on the board at the track the Gtech was .010 to .090 off. So i think i might invest in one again and do a few tests. Then see what kinda of numbers i pull. Then once srping time comes along Ill verify the Gtechs performance with the 1/4 mile time. Should be interesting. Fastest time on the e46 board that i ever saw about a year and a half back was a 14.2 1/4 mile time in a stock 330ci 5 speed. Magazines have tested from 14.7-15.0, conditions, driver, climate... lots of factors come into play. 2 summers ago I pulled a 14.3 1/4 mile time consistantly with a 1.9-2.0 60', with a 3.46 Differential, and Intake i ran 13.9 with a 1.8 60' all day long. The car defential does pull hard from 40mph on. Weekest point i found was 60-65MPH in the beging of 3rd gear. A lower final drive ration fixes this situation. at 60MPH in 3rd gear you are 1500 RPM higher than stock. with my 3.46 in my E46 the car pulled like all hell from 0-110mph, then started to just take a sh1t after that.
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