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BMW Newbie · 01-31-2008, 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soni

GTA Sign up: Adv II

Soni - 6/29

BMWNewbie - maybe

OverDrive · 01-31-2008, 10:56 PM

what are the prices for Adv II and Perfection?

Edit: nvm, i found them on BMW.CA
I really wanna go

, but not this summer, maybe later

halB · 01-31-2008, 11:36 PM

I've made up my mine to go for Perfection one more time as a refresher on August 1. I had so much fun when I did it last year and if I do better this time, I may go for Fascination next year. Need to call them tomorrow to get my prerequisite code (not on my completion certificate).

Anybody else coming that day??? Your M Coupes are waiting!!!

linus · 02-01-2008, 06:04 AM

halB, I'll be joining you on Aug 1. Assuming I make it through Adv II.

halB · 02-01-2008, 12:30 PM

Nobody fail those courses unless you roll their car or walk out half way!

I have just completed my registration for Perfection to be held Aug 1. See you there!!

Anybody else????? Lets make that an e90post party!!

sparkyg · 02-01-2008, 01:32 PM

Are cowboys from out west welcome?

halB · 02-01-2008, 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sparkyg

Are cowboys from out west welcome?

As long as BMW lets you!!

These are the only courses available in Canada so naturally there are lot of out-of-town participants. When I did Advanced II last I was teamed up with a guy who flew in from Montreal (the guy with glasses and goatee in the photo).

Joekerr · 02-02-2008, 03:25 PM

Hey - just found the Canada boards (sweet) glad to see there's some presence from the GTA!

So I don't have my Bimmer yet - waiting till spring to dump my current car (if it lasts that long) and I'm leaning towards a 335 coupe at this point. I did Advanced II two years ago - was trying to do Perfection last year but didn't have the time.

Is there a general consensus as to when people are thinking about going for Perfection? If so, let me know and I'll try to sign up that day to meet some fellow people on the boards!

linus · 02-02-2008, 03:59 PM

halB and I are doing Perfection on Aug 1.

Joekerr · 02-02-2008, 09:07 PM

Looked at this....its funny, one of my friends just sent me a link to the Ariel Atom racing school - they're using a track in Belleville. It looks pretty good too - now I'm undecided. There's definitely a premium BMW is charging for their courses, and Ariel is undercutting it by $100, plus, I think there might be more driving experience with Ariel.

Anyone here done this?

http://www.arielatomexperience.com/

What do you guys think?

halB · 02-02-2008, 09:22 PM

Looks like the Ariel Atom racing school is a RACING SCHOOL, focus mainly on track racing training in a pseudo race car. BMW Driver Training is for DRIVER TRAINING, focus on techniques required to deal with everyday realistic road emergency situations such as emergency braking, emergency lane change, skid control and recovery, and the training is done in a production 335i sedan.

Yes, the BMW Fascination course is for track training but it is for a few individuals each year who have done all the basics and feel confident enough to tackle the track in an off-the-shelf M car.

So pick what you think suits you the best.

Joekerr · 02-03-2008, 04:01 PM

Good points, to be sure. Ultimately, I agree with you, though as you pointed out, the BMW Driver training kind of melds into racing experience as you move upwards. Perfection as I see it is kind of the bridge course.

Maybe if my bonus is enough I can do both

ARA5HE90 · 02-04-2008, 08:22 PM

its at the hangar in downsview .. i thought they closed that track? hm.. i used to play soccer there and wow every weekend all of the hottest e46s used to gather there =)

halB · 02-04-2008, 08:53 PM

Here! You can see the skidpad in the close-up view. You can also see the 10 training vehicles - 5 autos in a row and 5 manuals in another row. The rest are instructor's cars. As of last summer the blue tent is no longer there, it's been moved into the hanger. On the side of the skidpad is the tanker truck that wets down the track to make you skid at a lower speed. The next two photos are views from the ground. The last photos shows the fleet of M Coupes used in the autocrossing session at the end of the day in Perfection.

J. · 02-05-2008, 10:31 AM

Which program is the one where you can drive on MOSPORT GP course? I thought it was also a BMW school event, had a few friends who went last year, and I missed out

fastrack · 02-06-2008, 01:23 AM

I'm in for advanced II on July 13th and perfection on July 14th

Joekerr · 02-06-2008, 04:47 PM

The GP one you are referring to (I believe) is the "Fascination" events which take place in Montreal.

I was always uncertain whether Perfection used M coupes in the entire course, or just at the end for the autocross - you'll notice the description online is most silent about this. But based on the above pics, looks like its 335's for the course and just the M coupe for the autocross - too bad!

halB · 02-06-2008, 08:38 PM

In Perfection they use 335i's for the course and M Coupes for autocross.

Perfection is a much intensified version of Advance II - it is still aiming at developing techniques to deal with everyday emergency situations that drivers can encounter on the road. It is not a race training course and the autocross racing is straightly for fun at the end of the day, much like the slalom racing at the end of Advanced II. Given that, it makes more sense to do the formal part of the traning in an everyday road car.

Fascination is for track training, and I believe the entire session is done in M cars.

oo--oo · 02-07-2008, 02:15 AM

I have set of 17 inch style 161, 325 sport pakage with bridgeston run flat for sale, Pick up only Vancouver. only has been used for 12000 km $1200.00
email ME AT kaveh65@shaw.ca or call me at 604-561-0201
kevin

Soni · 02-08-2008, 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oo--oo

I have set of 17 inch style 161, 325 sport pakage with bridgeston run flat for sale, Pick up only Vancouver. only has been used for 12000 km $1200.00
email ME AT kaveh65@shaw.ca or call me at 604-561-0201
kevin

Joekerr · 02-18-2008, 12:03 PM

Well, just registered for August 1st - bit the bullet. I'm looking forward to it - hopefully I'll see some of you guys at Perfection.

ojungoon · 02-18-2008, 04:05 PM

where do i need to go in BMW.CA?

I want to sign up for Advance II....

What do you learn during Advance I??? I never took this course before so maybe I should
start At I???

01-31-2008, 11:36 PM	#25
halB Colonel Drives: W211 E350 4M MkV GTI 987.2 S Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Just north of Toronto Posts: 2,388 iTrader: (0)	I've made up my mine to go for Perfection one more time as a refresher on August 1. I had so much fun when I did it last year and if I do better this time, I may go for Fascination next year. Need to call them tomorrow to get my prerequisite code (not on my completion certificate). Anybody else coming that day??? Your M Coupes are waiting!!! __________________ 07 E93 335i - Returned at lease end 09 W211 E350 4Matic Avant Garde - Blk/Blk, AMG pkg w/18". Sport Susp. F1 Asym. Debadged. 09 MkV GTI w/Leather & 18" Huffs. F1 Asym 10 987.2 S w/Leather sport seat, Sport Chrono, 19" Carrera S II wheels Last edited by halB; 02-01-2008 at 09:27 PM.

02-01-2008, 12:30 PM	#27
halB Colonel Drives: W211 E350 4M MkV GTI 987.2 S Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Just north of Toronto Posts: 2,388 iTrader: (0)	Nobody fail those courses unless you roll their car or walk out half way! I have just completed my registration for Perfection to be held Aug 1. See you there!! Anybody else????? Lets make that an e90post party!! __________________ 07 E93 335i - Returned at lease end 09 W211 E350 4Matic Avant Garde - Blk/Blk, AMG pkg w/18". Sport Susp. F1 Asym. Debadged. 09 MkV GTI w/Leather & 18" Huffs. F1 Asym 10 987.2 S w/Leather sport seat, Sport Chrono, 19" Carrera S II wheels

02-01-2008, 01:32 PM	#28
sparkyg Brigadier General Drives: E90 M3 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Oil Country Posts: 3,296 iTrader: (5) Garage List 2008 E90 M3 [3.50]	Are cowboys from out west welcome? __________________

02-02-2008, 09:22 PM	#33
halB Colonel Drives: W211 E350 4M MkV GTI 987.2 S Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Just north of Toronto Posts: 2,388 iTrader: (0)	Looks like the Ariel Atom racing school is a RACING SCHOOL, focus mainly on track racing training in a pseudo race car. BMW Driver Training is for DRIVER TRAINING, focus on techniques required to deal with everyday realistic road emergency situations such as emergency braking, emergency lane change, skid control and recovery, and the training is done in a production 335i sedan. Yes, the BMW Fascination course is for track training but it is for a few individuals each year who have done all the basics and feel confident enough to tackle the track in an off-the-shelf M car. So pick what you think suits you the best. __________________ 07 E93 335i - Returned at lease end 09 W211 E350 4Matic Avant Garde - Blk/Blk, AMG pkg w/18". Sport Susp. F1 Asym. Debadged. 09 MkV GTI w/Leather & 18" Huffs. F1 Asym 10 987.2 S w/Leather sport seat, Sport Chrono, 19" Carrera S II wheels Last edited by halB; 02-02-2008 at 09:42 PM.

02-04-2008, 08:22 PM	#35
ARA5HE90 ARA5HE90 Drives: a beast! Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 1,867 iTrader: (10) Garage List 2007 328XI [0.00]	its at the hangar in downsview .. i thought they closed that track? hm.. i used to play soccer there and wow every weekend all of the hottest e46s used to gather there =) __________________ 2oo7 e90 JB 328xi/// with too many mods!?!?! check out my ride = http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=246531 2oo8 e90 SSII ///M3 the silver ghost = http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=409084

01-31-2008, 10:56 PM	#24
OverDrive CHEAT TO WIN!! Drives: E92 335xi Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,297 iTrader: (0)	what are the prices for Adv II and Perfection? Edit: nvm, i found them on BMW.CA I really wanna go , but not this summer, maybe later

02-01-2008, 06:04 AM	#26
linus Lieutenant Drives: 07 E90 335xi, 08 E92 335i Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Toronto Posts: 525 iTrader: (0)	halB, I'll be joining you on Aug 1. Assuming I make it through Adv II.

02-02-2008, 03:25 PM	#30
Joekerr Second Lieutenant Drives: 2008 BMW 335i Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 293 iTrader: (0)	Hey - just found the Canada boards (sweet) glad to see there's some presence from the GTA! So I don't have my Bimmer yet - waiting till spring to dump my current car (if it lasts that long) and I'm leaning towards a 335 coupe at this point. I did Advanced II two years ago - was trying to do Perfection last year but didn't have the time. Is there a general consensus as to when people are thinking about going for Perfection? If so, let me know and I'll try to sign up that day to meet some fellow people on the boards!

02-02-2008, 03:59 PM	#31
linus Lieutenant Drives: 07 E90 335xi, 08 E92 335i Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Toronto Posts: 525 iTrader: (0)	halB and I are doing Perfection on Aug 1.

02-02-2008, 09:07 PM	#32
Joekerr Second Lieutenant Drives: 2008 BMW 335i Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 293 iTrader: (0)	Looked at this....its funny, one of my friends just sent me a link to the Ariel Atom racing school - they're using a track in Belleville. It looks pretty good too - now I'm undecided. There's definitely a premium BMW is charging for their courses, and Ariel is undercutting it by $100, plus, I think there might be more driving experience with Ariel. Anyone here done this? http://www.arielatomexperience.com/ What do you guys think?

02-03-2008, 04:01 PM	#34
Joekerr Second Lieutenant Drives: 2008 BMW 335i Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 293 iTrader: (0)	Good points, to be sure. Ultimately, I agree with you, though as you pointed out, the BMW Driver training kind of melds into racing experience as you move upwards. Perfection as I see it is kind of the bridge course. Maybe if my bonus is enough I can do both

02-04-2008, 08:53 PM	#36
halB Colonel Drives: W211 E350 4M MkV GTI 987.2 S Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Just north of Toronto Posts: 2,388 iTrader: (0)	Here! You can see the skidpad in the close-up view. You can also see the 10 training vehicles - 5 autos in a row and 5 manuals in another row. The rest are instructor's cars. As of last summer the blue tent is no longer there, it's been moved into the hanger. On the side of the skidpad is the tanker truck that wets down the track to make you skid at a lower speed. The next two photos are views from the ground. The last photos shows the fleet of M Coupes used in the autocrossing session at the end of the day in Perfection. Attached Images __________________ 07 E93 335i - Returned at lease end 09 W211 E350 4Matic Avant Garde - Blk/Blk, AMG pkg w/18". Sport Susp. F1 Asym. Debadged. 09 MkV GTI w/Leather & 18" Huffs. F1 Asym 10 987.2 S w/Leather sport seat, Sport Chrono, 19" Carrera S II wheels Last edited by halB; 02-04-2008 at 09:16 PM.

02-05-2008, 10:31 AM	#37
J. First Lieutenant Drives: E90 320i, E36 M3 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 363 iTrader: (2) Garage List 2007 335i [0.00]	Which program is the one where you can drive on MOSPORT GP course? I thought it was also a BMW school event, had a few friends who went last year, and I missed out

02-06-2008, 01:23 AM	#38
fastrack Captain Drives: 11 MW e92 M3 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Penticton, BC Posts: 761 iTrader: (3)	I'm in for advanced II on July 13th and perfection on July 14th __________________ Mineral White + HRE + Brembo + Eisenmann + Challenge = Perfection

02-06-2008, 04:47 PM	#39
Joekerr Second Lieutenant Drives: 2008 BMW 335i Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 293 iTrader: (0)	The GP one you are referring to (I believe) is the "Fascination" events which take place in Montreal. I was always uncertain whether Perfection used M coupes in the entire course, or just at the end for the autocross - you'll notice the description online is most silent about this. But based on the above pics, looks like its 335's for the course and just the M coupe for the autocross - too bad!

02-06-2008, 08:38 PM	#40
halB Colonel Drives: W211 E350 4M MkV GTI 987.2 S Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Just north of Toronto Posts: 2,388 iTrader: (0)	In Perfection they use 335i's for the course and M Coupes for autocross. Perfection is a much intensified version of Advance II - it is still aiming at developing techniques to deal with everyday emergency situations that drivers can encounter on the road. It is not a race training course and the autocross racing is straightly for fun at the end of the day, much like the slalom racing at the end of Advanced II. Given that, it makes more sense to do the formal part of the traning in an everyday road car. Fascination is for track training, and I believe the entire session is done in M cars. __________________ 07 E93 335i - Returned at lease end 09 W211 E350 4Matic Avant Garde - Blk/Blk, AMG pkg w/18". Sport Susp. F1 Asym. Debadged. 09 MkV GTI w/Leather & 18" Huffs. F1 Asym 10 987.2 S w/Leather sport seat, Sport Chrono, 19" Carrera S II wheels

02-07-2008, 02:15 AM	#41
oo--oo New Member Drives: 2009 335XI Msport Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: VANCOUVER Posts: 29 iTrader: (0)	style 161 sport package 325, with run flat only 12000 km for sale VANCOUVER I have set of 17 inch style 161, 325 sport pakage with bridgeston run flat for sale, Pick up only Vancouver. only has been used for 12000 km $1200.00 email ME AT kaveh65@shaw.ca or call me at 604-561-0201 kevin

02-18-2008, 12:03 PM	#43
Joekerr Second Lieutenant Drives: 2008 BMW 335i Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 293 iTrader: (0)	Well, just registered for August 1st - bit the bullet. I'm looking forward to it - hopefully I'll see some of you guys at Perfection.

02-18-2008, 04:05 PM	#44
ojungoon First Lieutenant Drives: E92 335i Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: GTA Posts: 323 iTrader: (1)	where do i need to go in BMW.CA? I want to sign up for Advance II.... What do you learn during Advance I??? I never took this course before so maybe I should start At I???

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