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      12-06-2007, 05:03 PM   #23
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Same here. I only have H&R sports on with the orig. stock shocks. The ride is a bit bouncy but nothing that would kill me or anything...I just simply slow down when going thru bumps, dips, etc...What kills me though is now that the car is lowered (~1.3 inch), I scratched the hell out of my front bumper

Would proper camber settings help anything, i.e. ride quality, stability, tire wearage? more negative or more positive on the rears? Thanks.
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I had H&R race on my E46 (pretty much the only thing lower than H&R sports) with stock shocks and thing felt bumpy as hell. I got bilstein shocks and it was a night/day difference.

I'm guessing that they were both bumpy, but that it is more noticeable for you in the E90 because the E90 is slightly heavier and its OEM suspension (compared to the E46's OEM) is relatively smoother.

Either way, like chowbow said, getting Koni Yellows will solve your problem. That's the setup that I'm running right now and it rides pretty close to OEM in terms of smoothness.
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KW Coilovers provides the best ride with improved handling

H&R is just to lower the car. If you guys think your sport springs are bad, try driving on the race springs where the suspension travel is even less
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^^^ I'm running the H&R race with Koni Yellows right now and couldn't be happier with the ride quality
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car looks good, but rides like sh!t. i know i should have changed shocks/struts too and you get what you pay for but damn. i lowered my e-46 with eibach sportline and it didnt feel this crappy
any one feel the same way? i feel i may be swapping these back to stock unitll i can get kwv2. venting.....

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yes, they suck ass... car was so wobbly and bouncy.

I just replaced them with KW V2's. OMG day and night difference. my car wasnt a BMW, it was a toyota with H&R's. Maybe it'll improve if you put on shocks
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H&R is just to lower the car. If you guys think your sport springs are bad, try driving on the race springs where the suspension travel is even less
Not precisely. H&R is not just to lower the car, but to ruin a nice suspension and make the stock-stiff car very wobbly and bouncy
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yes, they suck ass... car was so wobbly and bouncy.

I just replaced them with KW V2's. OMG day and night difference. my car wasnt a BMW, it was a toyota with H&R's. Maybe it'll improve if you put on shocks
It will most definitely improve. Crappy ride quality is expected with unmatched springs/shocks. With coilovers, the match is guaranteed (which is why you see the improvement). When you just throw springs on there, you should expect a bad ride quality. Personally, i've found the koni yellows to match up perfectly with the h&r's, so good ride quality can be had with h&r's, but obviously not with the stock shocks.
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is it just me or do the h&r sports get a bit more bouncier after some time? the car seem alot more planted and less bouncy when i first got it installed.
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H&R springs ride stiffer for more of a firm drive.
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is it just me or do the h&r sports get a bit more bouncier after some time? the car seem alot more planted and less bouncy when i first got it installed.
They are probably getting more bouncy as your shocks get worn. Unfortunately for me, there are a lot less options for XI cars like mine. I have H&R sports and the bouncy ride.
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They are probably getting more bouncy as your shocks get worn. Unfortunately for me, there are a lot less options for XI cars like mine. I have H&R sports and the bouncy ride.
only had them on for 3 months. car is 5 months old. cant be that worn out..
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3 months is definitely enough to blow the stock shocks. Heck, I'd say after a few hundred to a thousand miles they would already be blown.
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3 months is definitely enough to blow the stock shocks. Heck, I'd say after a few hundred to a thousand miles they would already be blown.
i think that u are spinning this topic up a bit. if u have zsp then your shocks should last 50k miles when lowered on h&r sports
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I wonder if any E90 328i owners can chime in? My 328i with the Sport Suspension, Style 161 wheels and the stock run flats are bouncy and stiff as hell!! I feel the car crashes over broken pavement and bounces too much on dips. My car has only 6500 miles on it. I've started to get used to it but driving a friend's E90 335i with the 162's and Sport Suspension rides a lot smoother than mine. I don't get that since the 162's are riding on the stock runflats also but maybe since it's a slimmer sidewall it's not as stiff as the larger sidewall of a 17" runflat tire? Does that make sense?

I've just bought some Beyern Mesh wheels in 19" and am going with just the H&R Sports and I feel that leaving those horrible runflats behind, coupled with the 19's on normal tires is still going to give me a better ride than the horrible one I have now with the stock runflats.
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i think that u are spinning this topic up a bit. if u have zsp then your shocks should last 50k miles when lowered on h&r sports
I rode in somebody's 335 with sport package, and H&R springs (not race, just sport). He said he had it installed about 5k-6k miles ago (~3 months on his kind of mileage per month), and the car definitely felt like crap from the shocks being way too weak to work properly with the springs.

I am spinning this topic up a bit, and it's because so many people put on just springs on stock shocks and at first the car handles fine since there isn't much change but a slightly stiffer spring rate. And after a few thousand miles, the shocks blow out and the car handles and rides like junk. Stock shocks combined with stiffer and shorter aftermarket springs is bad advice to give to other members.

Do you have 50k miles on your stock shocks with H&R springs? I'm willing to bet that putting on a set of Konis or Bilsteins will make a huge difference to your car.
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I had Eibachs on my E46 for 50k and it looked good and the ride was fine... except the rubbing on my 265 rears...
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No strut lasts 50K miles. Manufacturer specs typcially require struts to be replaced every 25K. Now, that's not to say people don't run them for 100K+, but those are certainly not operating within manufacturer spec any longer. You'd be surprised how many people drive around with 2 blown struts and never know. I'm sure the ratio is a lot less with BMW enthusiasts, but not 0%.

Either way, on some cars a spring only upgrade works fine, and on others it doesn't. I find most of the comments on this forum are negative, which leads me to believe it's not a great option, particularly for the driving enthusiast. For the cruisers who are more about show than go, it sounds fine.
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