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      02-12-2008, 10:04 PM   #1
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Why pay top dollar for exhaust/intakes

I recently started a for sale thread to sell my MSDS stage 1 intake. I had an individual make a comment that was rather rude and out of place but it did spark a bit of a debate. I decided to start a new thread on this topic and open it up to the entire bored for discussion. here is what has been said thus far:

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i bet i can make that thing for around $25

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I bet you could too but then you wouldnt be able to sell it because you have a negative traders rating and your a dooche bag in general for thinking outloud in my thread.
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hahaah..look how mad he got

you got ripped off for a piece of sht filter and some bent pipe. who would actually pay $375 for that???????

theres some more thinking out loud for ya
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Thanks for keeping my thread on top via people making fun of you! Had a few offers too...seems people are actually willing to pay for a well engineered and built product. You know I think you’re on to something with your expensive "Bent Pipe" theory. Hundreds, possibly thousands of people are paying thousands of dollars every day to bent pipe producers such as DINAN, Borla, AEM, Injen, K&N, ect.. for exhausts and intakes that are nothing more than bent pipe that YOU could be producing for about 25 dollars...I mean how do these companies stay in business when you could be bending pipe with your ass for 25 dollars and yielding a comparable product...it baffles my mind.
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Because people in this world are lazy and scared. Why get/make a custom exhaust when you can just buy something eveyone else already has and likes. When in retrospect you are just a product of marketing. You(or the buyer of these products) is too scared or has no time too do r&d. Many factors make up why someone actually buys these products. Hey too each his own but i am just addressing your statements and hey Gl with the sale.
here is a link to the thread if you have to see for yourself:
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=113215

So my question would be, who's train of thought do you side with,

Curt2000: These parts are worth it...within reason...I believe if a part has had significant R&D put into it I will easily pay top dollar for it even if their production costs are low and they are making a large profit on the item

BaLLzZz: People are lazy and scared to do it on their own so they blindly pay thousands of dollars for items that cost a fraction to make.

or evolutioninnyc:....I dont think there is much thought besides "How cool can I look by making a smart ass comment" and if you look at his post history you will know what im talking about.
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      02-12-2008, 10:06 PM   #2
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Sorry you are having to deal with these guys. Perhap we should meet them at your local pub for pint and work thing out. We'll go with the high bidder.
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Who cares what those tools think. If the price is fair I'm sure it will sell. I hate when people can't mind their own business in FS threads. If you don't like the price or the product then just move on. I would like to see him fab up an intake that can actually produce gains for $25. I'm sure he would have a ton of customers, but then again he probably can't since he's talking out of his ass.
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      02-12-2008, 10:15 PM   #4
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Oh dont worry, the intake sold at a good price!

Im more interested in sparking a depate between the die hard DIY's and the DINAN queens on the forum
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      02-12-2008, 10:17 PM   #5
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Oh dont worry, the intake sold at a good price!

Im more interested in sparking a depate between the die hard DIY's and the DINAN queens on the forum
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Well, Im a DIY'er at heart. I will always try to make something myself if theres an idea thrown out. That being said, Id rather pay for something that has actual R&D behind it and nicer production value(ie: clean welds) than make something that would be half-assed on my end.
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When I was younger...I had a 01 Celica GT..not much you can do to that car! I decided I wanted to make a custom turbo kit for it...I was a broke college student so I knew I had to do some dealing to get the parts I wanted...I got in contact with a shop that was already making kits for the MRS which has the same motor as the GT...through some negotiations between them and my local shop I had alot of free or at cost parts in return for a jig that we produced for the FMIC piping. I pieced together a kit and got 250 out of a motor that makes about 160 stock. You can make custom kits look good too!



within a year I blew a softball size hole in the block and bent the #3 rod in a Z shape...lol
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I guess the point of my last post would be...I made that kit for a fraction of the cost of an off the shelf kit...but In the long run it cost me MUCH more...I guess and exhaust/intake doesnt have as much potential to blow an engine but I would still want someone to blame besides myself which is why I only buy top shelf parts for my car now
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If I had the time I would make more of my own bolt on parts, but I dont so i'm willing to pay for someone elses R&D if I think their product is well thought out and offered at a fair price, which is why I would rather give away some of my $$ than to purchase VIP's intake for example.....no offense to those who have purchased it.

and since your looking for a debate, I think most of Dinan's parts in general are very well thought out but offered at a price that is simply ridiculous, but the queen's of the world are willing to pay it for the necessary points towards a Dinan badge. They do have a few products that I feel are reasonably priced, but right now I can't think of which ones.
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Personaly I tend to stray from the brand sponsored parts producers like DINAN, mugen, TRD ect...Becasue in that case you really are just paying for the brand name. Some of their parts have been contracted out...for example, the mopar CAI for the SRT-4 is an AEM CAI painted a different color with a 30% mark up in price...that sh*t is ludacris

Further more...most of the top shelf parts are eventualy duplicated, like the Gruppe-M intake for the 335i...people are paying much less for a rip off part, is that right?
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Parts are always expensive before options appear from competitors and prices come down because of competition.

Happens on every platform. It's a little rediculous here ($700+ for an intake is seriously f*cked up), but it'll correct eventually.
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Further more...most of the top shelf parts are eventualy duplicated, like the Gruppe-M intake for the 335i...people are paying much less for a rip off part, is that right?
if its basically the same part at just lower quality but offering the same relative performance, then yes I think its right. Thats competition. The Gruppe-M intake is a joke at its price......its really nice but a couple grand nice?.............NOPE.

This isnt a Ferrari we're talking about here: http://www.autotalent.com/product_in...roducts_id=436
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Personaly I tend to stray from the brand sponsored parts producers like DINAN, mugen, TRD ect...Becasue in that case you really are just paying for the brand name.
DINAN is not a brand sponsored parts producer.

And I will take their 4 year 50K mile warranty with the higher cost any day over any of the other junk on the market.

So in this case...you are really not paying for the brand name.
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Just forget about those punks, dude.

He would make an intake from PVC toilette tubes, maybe painted black or silver, or applying a fancy CF sticker on it (definitely turns his car a pussy magnet). Then he decides his butt dyno is not enough and goes to a shop, pays 150$ for 3 runs and finds out there are no gains (happened here, but to a respected member playing around). And he will find out he just lost 25$ for his toilette tubes, around another 25 for CF stickers, 150$ for a dyno and gained shit for the half of the money for a proven intake with serious R&D behind it. Thats all.

Just ignore them
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And I will take their 4 year 50K mile warranty with the higher cost any day over any of the other junk on the market.

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pretty typical Dinan Queen's response. How many times have you seen a companies air intake or exhaust fail and would need to be replaced under warranty? The ECU flash for the 335 is another story, that has some value w/ the warranty.

Also curious, have you dynoed your e46 w the mods? What did you gain at the wheels w all the Dinan mods? Just want to know what to expect in case I run up against a Dinan M3 on the road .
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DINAN is not a brand sponsored parts producer.

And I will take their 4 year 50K mile warranty with the higher cost any day over any of the other junk on the market.

So in this case...you are really not paying for the brand name.
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pretty typical Dinan Queen's response. How many times have you seen a companies air intake or exhaust fail and would need to be replaced under warranty? The ECU flash for the 335 is another story, that has some value w/ the warranty.

Also curious, have you dynoed your e46 w the mods? What did you gain at the wheels w all the Dinan mods? Just want to know what to expect in case I run up against a Dinan M3 on the road .

I have one from BMW that does the same thing....

How about you Sniz? Dont you still have your BMW warranty with your piggyback?
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I have one from BMW that does the same thing....

How about you Sniz? Dont you still have your BMW warranty with your piggyback?
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I have one from BMW that does the same thing....

How about you Sniz? Dont you still have your BMW warranty with your piggyback?
Dinan Queens Classic case of the ugly girls making fun of the prom queen

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I thought there was debate on whether or not DINAN was providing a warranty for 335i parts?
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Dinan Queens Classic case of the ugly girls making fun of the prom queen

Never underestimate your dealer's ability to see thru the shenanigans. That's when you get into trouble.
I understand that, but each side has there points.

We should just agree to disagree rather then constantly bring up these points.

Each side is right to a certain degree....
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