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      04-07-2006, 02:09 PM   #133
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The E92 will be 325 and 335 att the start i EU
After that the 330 will be relased.
The 328i is a rumor!!
Thats the information i get from a friend at BMW Stockholm Sweden today.
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Dealer phoned BMW today because they were getting confused with the reports that there may be only Coupe 335i and they were having people come in that wanted to put deposits down on Sedans

Well, turns out the Coupe only story was a glitch in BMWs international system, They were updating details for a while and at that time the system only showed the Coupe.

So the dealer has been told they will get 335i Sedans near year end.
Coupe version will be available a bit sooner.
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      04-07-2006, 02:36 PM   #135
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The E92 will be 325 and 335 att the start i EU
After that the 330 will be relased.
The 328i is a rumor!!
Thats the information i get from a friend at BMW Stockholm Sweden today.
In Germany the E92 will debut as 325i8(218 PS) and 335i(306 PS).
3 months later: 330i(272 PS), 330d(231 PS), 335d(286 PS).
Only 330d can be ordered with x-Drive at this time.
E92 325 xi, 330 xi and 335 xi will be available end 2007.
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      04-07-2006, 02:59 PM   #136
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Dealer phoned BMW today because they were getting confused with the reports that there may be only Coupe 335i and they were having people come in that wanted to put deposits down on Sedans

Well, turns out the Coupe only story was a glitch in BMWs international system, They were updating details for a while and at that time the system only showed the Coupe.

So the dealer has been told they will get 335i Sedans near year end.
Coupe version will be available a bit sooner.
Is the 330i Sedan staying? Or is it being replaced?
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In Germany the E92 will debut as 325i(218 PS) and 335i(306 PS).
3 months later: 330i(272 PS), 330d(231 PS), 335d(286 PS).
Only 330d can be ordered with x-Drive at this time.
E92 325 xi, 330 xi and 335 xi will be available end 2007.
I have the same info.
First cars coming in September 2006.

Also sedan is getting additional models: 325d (19/PS), 335d (286PS), 335i (306PS).

335si coupe (333PS) is coming later - in 2007.
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You are crazy if you think BMW will price the 335i Sedan $6,000+ over their competition! They would get smoked by Lexus and Infiniti if they did that!!! BMW's management is there to make the company as much money as possible. They are not there to make sure resell values remain as high as possible!!!!
Alot of crazyness going on here. This post says it all.

BMW is loosing customers to Lexus and Infinity. As for the up comming 335ci.. the reason BMW made the horsepower change is to compete with those two companies. 225 horsepower is cutting it... and they knew this 3 years ago. Thats why this engine has been in development for the last 3 years. They also knew their price/performance ratio and designed the car and engine to be made inexpesive as possible.

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Is the 330i Sedan staying? Or is it being replaced?
???

Do you see a E90 coupe ..?? Can you buy one...? BMW changed the 3 series and ALWAYS starts with the sedans, then the coupes then the M models. They have always done it this way...!

So since the only coupe or M3 you can buy is the E46. BMW will have to finish with the 3 series before going back and updating the already purchasbale E90 4-door !!!

Make sense ..?
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All of the info that was able to glean form German mags and this and other forums lead to the conclusion that most here are very eager to ignore: neither the 325 not the 330 are going anywhere during the first year of the introduction fo the 335 engine.

The 335 is not a replacement for anything-it is an add on.

For the 08 model year (2007), there are rumours - which may well prove true; of an engine power upgrade for the 325 and 330. Those rumours have it that in so doing the 325 may change its designation to 328, but the 330 will keep its designation. But this is just a rumour because I bet that BMW AG has not yet decided on this.
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All of the info that was able to glean form German mags and this and other forums lead to the conclusion that most here are very eager to ignore: neither the 325 not the 330 are going anywhere during the first year of the introduction fo the 335 engine.

The 335 is not a replacement for anything-it is an add on.

For the 08 model year (2007), there are rumours - which may well prove true; of an engine power upgrade for the 325 and 330. Those rumours have it that in so doing the 325 may change its designation to 328, but the 330 will keep its designation. But this is just a rumour because I bet that BMW AG has not yet decided on this.
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I'm a little confused. You mean the sedan lineup remains unchanged next year with 325/330 sedans while the ???/335 coupes are released. Then for 2008 there will be sedan changes. Am I understanding your guess correctly? Do the 2008 sedan changes include a 335 sedan?
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I'm a little confused. You mean the 325/330 sedans remain next year while the ???/335 coupes are released. Then for 2008 there will be sedan changes. Am I understanding your guess correctly? Do the 2008 sedan changes include a 335 sedan?
For the first year of the launch of, essentially, a new model in the 3 series line-up, there will be no engine power upgrades to the existing e90s.

For 07 (the 08 model year designation) the powers will increase by about about 10% for the 325 and the 330. The 325 may then be rebadged as a 328; while the 330 will just be a 330 with more power (no renaming). This is my take on events.
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Rumors !?
BMW will not change a new engine family after only
one year after the intruduktion.
You have too wait a couple of years before you se any new update
of the 325 or the 330 engine.
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      04-07-2006, 04:31 PM   #144
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Rumors !?
BMW will not change a new engine family after only
one year after the intruduktion.
You have too wait a couple of years before you se any new update
of the 325 or the 330 engine.
The 330 engine was introduced 3 years ago - in the 6 series and the 5 series, The 325 engine for NA is a detuned version of the 330 engine; the euro 325, a 2.5 l for real was introduced some time ago as well, so it is not the first year of production for these engines by any means. An upgrade to power is therefore fully within the parametres of BMW (every 3 years of so).
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For the first year of the launch of, essentially, a new model in the 3 series line-up, there will be no engine power upgrades to the existing e90s.

For 07 (the 08 model year designation) the powers will increase by about about 10% for the 325 and the 330. The 325 may then be rebadged as a 328; while the 330 will just be a 330 with more power (no renaming). This is my take on events.
Sorry, I edited my post to be more clear while you were writing your response. With all the info flying around few people designate if they are referring to sedans or coupes.
Correct me if I’m wrong…your guess is:
2007 models: 325/330 sedan & ???/335 coupes
2008 models: 328(325 with more HP)/330(more HP, same engine)/335 sedans & ???/335 coupes

So no 335 sedan for MY 2007?
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Rumors !?
BMW will not change a new engine family after only
one year after the intruduktion.
You have too wait a couple of years before you se any new update
of the 325 or the 330 engine.
The engine family is not new. The engine use in the e90 will be a year and a half by September. BMW has changed engines in the 3 series after 2 years in the past (e46) so a year and a half isn't out of the ordinary. No one claims they are scrapping the engine all together.
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Sorry, I edited my post to be more clear while you were writing your response. With all the info flying around few people designate if they are referring to sedans or coupes.
Correct me if I’m wrong…your guess is:
2007 models: 325/330 sedan & ???/335 coupes
2008 models: 328(325 with more HP)/330(more HP, same engine)/335 sedans & ???/335 coupes

So no 335 sedan for MY 2007?

No, I think E90Fleet has confirmed that for SA there will be sedan a few months after the coupe. I fully expect SA to be microcosm of the entire world. So I think there will be sedan and coupe 335 for 07.
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The engine family is not new. The engine use in the e90 will be a year and a half by September. BMW has changed engines in the 3 series after 2 years in the past (e46) so a year and a half isn't out of the ordinary. No one claims they are scrapping the engine all together.
Agreed
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The 330 engine was introduced 3 years ago - in the 6 series and the 5 series, The 325 engine for NA is a detuned version of the 330 engine; the euro 325, a 2.5 l for real was introduced some time ago as well, so it is not the first year of production for these engines by any means. An upgrade to power is therefore fully within the parametres of BMW (every 3 years of so).
Actually the 330's engine was introduced in the 630Ci less than two years ago.
I believe it was either late Summer or early Fall of '04.
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NICE....

.....The symmetrical turbos are relatively small and each feed three cylinders. Power output is up only 47 hp over the normally aspirated version of the same 3.0-liter six found in the 330i, but BMW claims that turbo lag is all but avoided and — more importantly — peak torque increases 34 percent and is available from 1500 to 5800 rpm. BMW estimates that the twin-turbo setup gives the 335i's six the power and torque characteristics of a 4.0-liter V-8 with 10 percent less fuel consumption and 145 fewer pounds....

WOW now that's some power and range I likey!
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The engine family is not new. The engine use in the e90 will be a year and a half by September. BMW has changed engines in the 3 series after 2 years in the past (e46) so a year and a half isn't out of the ordinary. No one claims they are scrapping the engine all together.
Yea they did the same thing in 2000-2001 for the E46 with 323 328 going away for 325 330.

I still think it is possible for BMW to drop the 325 and 330 altogether and just have the 335i and 335si and M3 around 2008-2009. But in this case they would need something to capture the market for luxury vehicles at the 30-36 thousand level?

Perhaps the 1 series we have been hearing about? Makes sense if you think about it (early 2008-2009)

1 series 30-39 thousand? 130 135?
3 series 40-60 thousand? 335i 335si M3?

I don't see BMW introducing a 1 series vehicle anywhere below 31K in the US.
What do you think?
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All of the info that was able to glean form German mags and this and other forums lead to the conclusion that most here are very eager to ignore: neither the 325 not the 330 are going anywhere during the first year of the introduction fo the 335 engine.

The 335 is not a replacement for anything-it is an add on.

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There have been NO such confirmations concerning US 2007 models.

It may be as you say... but there's nothing set in stone. And there have been reports of people seeing fully badged 328i coupes. So, it may not "just be a rumor" after all.
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WOW now that's some power and range I likey!
Personally, I much prefer the power range of those boobies on the chick in your signature.....

WWWWOOOOWWWW!!!
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I went to the BMWNA lot today in Jersey and saw the cars in the Sony lot. There were not any E92 Coupes but I did look through the fence and it appeared to be a E90 Sedan with the Exhaust Diffusor taped off...and guess what guys...there was a dual exhaust poking out...E90 335 Is coming soon...
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