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      04-20-2006, 03:25 PM   #45
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DTC is not "part" of DSC(ie. it is not a subset), it is a different VERSION/VARIATION of it, meaning DTC is not simply DSC with certain things turned off.

DTC uses DSC as it's basis but changes the way DSC would handle certain things and handles it in it's own way. For instance, DSC prevents the wheels from spinning, at certain times, while DTC changes it so it allows for "some" wheel spin. It just doesn't turn off the component of DSC that prevents wheel spin, altogether. If it did that, you would have no control over your wheel spin, at all.
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This is so confusing..I...I dont understand
Read my summary for the application for each setting, regardless of what they mean.
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      04-20-2006, 03:27 PM   #47
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3rd, buuuddy.
Congrats than you should know how the system works by now. But you dont..

Going on our 6th right now...
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PRESSING DTC ONCE TURNS OFF DTC
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PRESSING DTC ONCE TURNS OFF DTC (DYNAMIC TRACTION CONTROL) HOLDING DTC FOR 5 SECONDS TURNS OFF DTC AND DSC THE ENTRIRE SYSTEM. THATS WHAT I SAID.
Dude ... no.

Pressing DTC once turns on 'Dynamic Traction Control'. I don't know what's so hard to understand. There's 'Traction Control' and then there's 'Dynamic Traction Control' ... from here on out abreviated as TC and DTC. TC is part of DSC and is on by default when you start the car. TC allows *NO* wheel spin. DTC, what you get when you press the button, allows *SOME* wheel spin. As a side note, it also allows a little bit of yaw, but that's outside the scope of the discussion. Which is why you also get the visual warning to let you know that you're going to experience some wheel spin and some yaw. Which is also why you'd want it in the snow. If TC hit brakes and cut engine power at the first hint of slip you'd never get anywhere.

Pressing the DTC button for five seconds turns off DSC.

Think of DTC as a program (which it really is) that's loosening up the paramaters of TC.

I repeat, DTC is *not* on by default TC *is*. So, "PRESSING DTC ONCE TURNS OFF DTC" is not possible because it's not on by default ... what is? TC is. Which is all just part of the DSC program anyway, they're not seperate systems.

The earliest e46's had this setup the same way, they called the stability control programs TC and ASC. Pressing the ASC button killed TC but kept ASC running ... you could burn tires in a straight line all you wanted but the minute there was any yaw the fun was over. Then they switched and wrapped them both into DSC.
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This has got to be the most boring thread EVER! Can you guys stop bitching about this and concentrate on the THREAD. I want to hear about people's Ipod/phone set-up.

Enough about DTC/DSC already. Read the manual. It's all in there.
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Congrats than you should know how the system works by now. But you dont..

Going on our 6th right now...
What do I have wrong?
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I want to hear about people's Ipod/phone set-up.
Me too ... I didn't know that tray pulled out. Half tempted to skip on out to the work parking lot and start running my wires around to hide them.
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Start the Car
- Traction Control and DSC Are both on.
- Press DTC once Traction Control gets turned off which allows wheel spin
- Hold the button the Entinre system Gets DEACTIVATED allowing you to do anything
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DEACTIVATES

key word.
If you hold it down for 3 sec, DTC is not DEACTIVATED if you press DTC once.
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If you hold it down for 3 sec, DTC is not DEACTIVATED if you press DTC once.
WHat? want to speak a little clearer please.
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Press DTC once Traction Control gets turned off which allows wheel spin
Yup, but previously you stated pressing DTC once turned DTC off. We're arguing symantics (sp?) that traction control and dynamic traction control are not the same thing.

It's fun, but doesn't really matter.

On another note, I wonder if the new MOST ipod kit will alow you to route wires to the center console instead of the glove box? I'd definately prefer center console.
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Are people having that much trouble understanding what the manual says?
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DEACTIVATES

key word.
(DTC is DEACTIVATED) If you hold it down for 3 sec, DTC is not DEACTIVATED if you press DTC once.
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Yup, but previously you stated pressing DTC once turned DTC off. We're arguing symantics (sp?) that traction control and dynamic traction control are not the same thing.

It's fun, but doesn't really matter.

On another note, I wonder if the new MOST ipod kit will alow you to route wires to the center console instead of the glove box? I'd definately prefer center console.
No, than if i said that thats a typo on my part. What he made it seem like is the other way around. And hes saying when you hold the button DSC is activated. Which is not true. If you hold down the DTC button. the Entire system Shuts down. Just like i quoted from the manual above. When the Circle with the arrow shows after holding down DTC briefly the system is Deactivated.
Traction control is always on when the car is started, thats why there are no indicator lamps showing either the circle or the DTC letters.
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- Traction Control and DSC Are both on.
No, DTC is OFF initially.
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No, DTC is OFF initially.
Yes "DTC" but Traction Control is on when car is started. Traction Control Prevents wheel spin.
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Is artz saying that there is a difference between the following?

- Traction Control
- Dynamic Traction Control

For what it's worth, DTC is OFF initially. You have to turn it ON...and it will turn back off when you turn off the car.
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Speaking of Deactivating, where are the monitors?
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Speaking of Deactivating, where are the monitors?
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