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0700700 · 05-12-2006, 12:13 AM

oh and WOW , mtm will tune bmws now

next is brabus

0700700 · 05-12-2006, 12:14 AM

surely a source that tunes BMWs for a living, wont point you to an AUDI tuner for your BMW right ?

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Originally Posted by Artz 330

It was on this forum, and in 2 articles I read, and told to me by my SA. According to the rumor, the 335 in Europe has around 330Hp. The north american market looses 25 or so Hp due to Emmisions.

yah yah .. that is why the german brochure states 330bhp

noob

iczz · 05-12-2006, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by THE JEDI

ICZZ is that a new bmw model you got there

, i bet those are them all new soft to the touch air bags

.....got one question do they expand :rocks: there is only one thing i love more than a bimmer...PUNANI

Artz 330 · 05-12-2006, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by 0700700

surely a source that tunes BMWs for a living, wont point you to an AUDI tuner for your BMW right ?

yah yah .. that is why the german brochure states 330bhp

noob

I was wrong than, there were alot of skeptical numbers in the begining, 340, 330, 306, 302, and what not. I havent kept up with official numbers, 330 was just stuff i read a while back. So the numbers for europe are 306, and for us its 300? those the the official numbers? No need for name calling.

0700700 · 05-12-2006, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Artz 330

I was wrong than, there were alot of skeptical numbers in the begining, 340, 330, 306, 302, and what not. I havent kept up with official numbers, 330 was just stuff i read a while back. So the numbers for europe are 306, and for us its 300? those the the official numbers? No need for name calling.

you are not bad... its your mate with his valvetronic engine, 380bhp chip-tuning done by MTM , and so on and so on

306bhp for us
300 ps for you

Artz 330 · 05-12-2006, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by 0700700

you are not bad... its your mate with his valvetronic engine, 380bhp chip-tuning done by MTM , and so on and so on

306bhp for us
300 ps for you

lol.. 380 is high, but hell. we'll only know with time who can do what right?

0700700 · 05-12-2006, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Artz 330

lol.. 380 is high, but hell. we'll only know with time who can do what right?

not so mate.... look at the size of the turbos (they are tiny) and the intercoolers, there is no dedicated heat exchangers, nothing for heavy duty turbos like the cayenne.. So a gain of 75bhp is out of the question! unless you want to have a burned out engine in 6 months

Artz 330 · 05-12-2006, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by 0700700

not so mate.... look at the size of the turbos (they are tiny) and the intercoolers, there is no dedicated heat exchangers, nothing for heavy duty turbos like the cayenne.. So a gain of 75bhp is out of the question! unless you want to have a burned out engine in 6 months

true

SteVTEC · 05-12-2006, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by StevoSEA

Block construction is the same (not trying to be argumentative) the N54 is based on the M54 not the engine in the E90, that's my point.
Also, to refute that the guy who started this post and his tuner friend who either don't have a clue or are blowing smoke at all of us or both.

I'm not trying to be argumentative either because I'm genuinely curious. You could say that because the N52/53/54 engines all have the same 91 mm bore spacings and open-deck construction as the M52/54 that they are based off the "old block" but this is not the case at all. Anyways, guess I'll just have to wait for more solid information to firm up. I'm sure there will be a whole ton of information available on this engine once it's out, along with an SAE paper or two hopefully.

Straz M3 · 05-12-2006, 11:00 AM

I made one mistake about saying it has valvetronic. I am sorry this is an E90 board in which I have been reading religiously for the past year. I am going to prove all of you guys wrong. You have no idea of who I know and who they know at BMWNA. When I get my car and post some links then you will understand. I am the wrong guy to doubt guys...

Straz M3 · 05-12-2006, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by 0700700

sorry mate but your talking out of your ss

i have a friend working at kelleners sport, not your average backyard tuner and they have stated that anything above 340bhp is pushing it.

A 4.5litre Cayenne bi-turbo obtains a maximum of 50bhp after a remap... you want to tell me that the 3.0l engine with no dedicated oil-to oil intercoolers will achieve 80?

You tell me how the B5 S4 2.7L Twin Turbo engine gets 80 HP and 80 LBS of Torque then??? www.awe-tuning.com

Let the 335 come out, then let the aftermarket tuners do their job.

stressdoc · 05-12-2006, 11:29 AM

Relax. We all agree the 335 is awesome. Most of us want one badly. And we cannot wait to drive the thing. I'm surprised no one popped the 'this thread is useless without pics' jingle. Most of us will not bother to tweak it, 300/300 is a lot of power. Personally I will be more interested in a weight loss program. 3500+ is too much IMO.

0700700 · 05-12-2006, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Straz 335

You tell me how the B5 S4 2.7L Twin Turbo engine gets 80 HP and 80 LBS of Torque then??? www.awe-tuning.com

Let the 335 come out, then let the aftermarket tuners do their job.

http://www.awe-tuning.com/pages/shar...s&IL=GIACChips

they offer a 60bhp gain. And since you have absolutely no idea on bi-turbo installs, have a look at the size of the turbos, the heat-exchangers, oil-oil coolers and the size of the intercoolers. See something funny

the bi-turbo install in a bmw adds 50bhp, whereas the one in the audi adds more than 110bhp on the old incarnation of the 2.7l engine. And on top of everything this is S line not A line, it is sports biased

StevoSEA · 05-12-2006, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by stressdoc

Relax. We all agree the 335 is awesome. Most of us want one badly. And we cannot wait to drive the thing. I'm surprised no one popped the 'this thread is useless without pics' jingle. Most of us will not bother to tweak it, 300/300 is a lot of power. Personally I will be more interested in a weight loss program. 3500+ is too much IMO.

Me too. Weight is as important as HP, especially for handling.

StevoSEA · 05-12-2006, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SteVTEC

I'm not trying to be argumentative either because I'm genuinely curious. You could say that because the N52/53/54 engines all have the same 91 mm bore spacings and open-deck construction as the M52/54 that they are based off the "old block" but this is not the case at all. Anyways, guess I'll just have to wait for more solid information to firm up. I'm sure there will be a whole ton of information available on this engine once it's out, along with an SAE paper or two hopefully.

I appreciate your questions and replies-it makes me research more and check my own statements. I would like to think that this forum is about passion and the exchange of ideas and information (even if it means having ones statements corrected).

you could very well be correct about the engine-I get back to you

Artz 330 · 05-13-2006, 12:02 PM

this thread is going down hill... Fast..

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Straz M3 Never Lose Drives: 2011.75 E92 M3 Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Windy City Posts: 1,148 iTrader: (2)	I made one mistake about saying it has valvetronic. I am sorry this is an E90 board in which I have been reading religiously for the past year. I am going to prove all of you guys wrong. You have no idea of who I know and who they know at BMWNA. When I get my car and post some links then you will understand. I am the wrong guy to doubt guys...

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stressdoc Moderator Drives: 335 E90 ZSP+ Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: MO Posts: 9,341 iTrader: (0)	Relax. We all agree the 335 is awesome. Most of us want one badly. And we cannot wait to drive the thing. I'm surprised no one popped the 'this thread is useless without pics' jingle. Most of us will not bother to tweak it, 300/300 is a lot of power. Personally I will be more interested in a weight loss program. 3500+ is too much IMO.