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      02-13-2009, 07:19 PM   #45
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What are you talking about? I am not a Ford fan so you place me in a stereotyped group?
I am likely older then you.
I have owned my share of foreign and domestics so I can speak with some degree of experience.

PS. Prick? Thanks for prooving the internet forum stereotype.
You're bitching about stereotypes, yet you just did EXACTLY that to a car you've never even laid eyes on. Nice.
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No idea. Havent seen it. Just not a fan of anything domestic. Sorry I have an opinion.
well it's a biased one.
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well it's a biased one.
Exactly!
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I'm glad you announced your ignorance.
Well we are all in the same boat.
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You're bitching about stereotypes, yet you just did EXACTLY that to a car you've never even laid eyes on. Nice.
I believe you started with the stereotype angle.
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I believe you started with the stereotype angle.


No, you did when you lumped every domestically built vehicle into one batch. Saying a car sucks that you've never even seen, let alone driven is about the lamest thing a person can do on an automotive forum. In case you haven't noticed, Ford and GM are both staging a MAJOR turnaround in vehicle design and quality. The standard response about their interiors makes anyone who uses it look like a fool when talking about new models. They're at least on par with anything else in their price range, and better than a lot. They're hurting in the cashflow department right now, but so is just about every other automaker, including Toyota due to the drop in overall vehicle sales.

In short, you really shouldn't talk about vehicles you know nothing about, or you're going to get (and deserve) the kind of harsh responses you just saw.
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No, you did when you lumped every domestically built vehicle into one batch. Saying a car sucks that you've never even seen, let alone driven is about the lamest thing a person can do on an automotive forum. In case you haven't noticed, Ford and GM are both staging a MAJOR turnaround in vehicle design and quality. The standard response about their interiors makes anyone who uses it look like a fool when talking about new models. They're at least on par with anything else in their price range, and better than a lot. They're hurting in the cashflow department right now, but so is just about every other automaker, including Toyota due to the drop in overall vehicle sales.

In short, you really shouldn't talk about vehicles you know nothing about, or you're going to get (and deserve) the kind of harsh responses you just saw.
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No, you did when you lumped every domestically built vehicle into one batch. Saying a car sucks that you've never even seen, let alone driven is about the lamest thing a person can do on an automotive forum. In case you haven't noticed, Ford and GM are both staging a MAJOR turnaround in vehicle design and quality. The standard response about their interiors makes anyone who uses it look like a fool when talking about new models. They're at least on par with anything else in their price range, and better than a lot. They're hurting in the cashflow department right now, but so is just about every other automaker, including Toyota due to the drop in overall vehicle sales.

In short, you really shouldn't talk about vehicles you know nothing about, or you're going to get (and deserve) the kind of harsh responses you just saw.
Come on man give it a rest already. I am not the only one who carries this opinion about domestic vehicles. Their has been a hell of allot of trash that have come out of the domestic builders over the years. We all have our likes and dislikes as far as brands go so in the same way I pass judgement you have done the same to me based on my opinion.

Face it, the interior fit and finish really hasn't changed much over the past number of years in quality and design, IN MY OPINION.

I would love to see them improve going forward but it would seem unlikely given new financial constraints and revised business plan. Time will tell.

I do hope that the domestics make a turn around but as of late the refusal by the autoworkers union to negotiate has definitely stalled the process. I am not behind the govt bail out without some very strict guidelines. In fact I would rather see them forced into creditor protection as many other companies would facing similar circumstance and work it out themselves.

As for weather or not the 'new' generation of domestics will be better then the past, again time will tell.

To put the SHO issue to bed, for me based on the pictures and a brief description ONLY. The technical specs look good on paper. The "YAMAHA" power-plant is great but as others have said the look both inside and out not my cup of tea. I am sure they will use words like 'European Inspired' in their marketing plan, why do you think that is?

PS. Why do you drive a BMW and not the domestic equivalent?
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Come on man give it a rest already. I am not the only one who carries this opinion about domestic vehicles. Their has been a hell of allot of trash that have come out of the domestic builders over the years. We all have our likes and dislikes as far as brands go so in the same way I pass judgement you have done the same to me based on my opinion.
Yes, the Big 3 have put out POS products in the PAST. And yet when they improve their quality, you beat the 80's and 90's down our throats. Last time I checked it is 2009 and the Big 3's products are different then what they offered in the 80's and 90's.

And nice using the "strength in numbers" argument to prove your ignorant opinion. It doesn't matter how many people share your opinion. It doesn't make it right.

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Face it, the interior fit and finish really hasn't changed much over the past number of years in quality and design, IN MY OPINION.
How can you say that when you won't even look at GM and Ford products( Chrysler still sucks).


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To put the SHO issue to bed, for me based on the pictures and a brief description ONLY. The technical specs look good on paper. The "YAMAHA" power-plant is great but as others have said the look both inside and out not my cup of tea. I am sure they will use words like 'European Inspired' in their marketing plan, why do you think that is?
The Yamaha engine was used in the last SHO. The new one uses Ford's EcoBoost tech( pretty much what BMW uses TT and DI).

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Because we preferred the BMW. But, we don't go and trash the competition. I may buy a ZR1, but I am not going to go and say, " The GT-R Spec-V is a POS because I didn't buy it personally".

Please leave this thread and get out of the house and check out the latest domestic products.

PS: I will give you credit for admitting your opinion is a biased one.
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To put the SHO issue to bed, for me based on the pictures and a brief description ONLY. The technical specs look good on paper. The "YAMAHA" power-plant is great

It is not a Yamaha based power plant.... Ford designed it all on their own, its called Eco-Boost.
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Yes, the Big 3 have put out POS products in the PAST. And yet when they improve their quality, you beat the 80's and 90's down our throats. Last time I checked it is 2009 and the Big 3's products are different then what they offered in the 80's and 90's.

And nice using the "strength in numbers" argument to prove your ignorant opinion. It doesn't matter how many people share your opinion. It doesn't make it right.



How can you say that when you won't even look at GM and Ford products( Chrysler still sucks).




The Yamaha engine was used in the last SHO. The new one uses Ford's EcoBoost tech( pretty much what BMW uses TT and DI).



Because we preferred the BMW. But, we don't go and trash the competition. I may buy a ZR1, but I am not going to go and say, " The GT-R Spec-V is a POS because I didn't buy it personally".

Please leave this thread and get out of the house and check out the latest domestic products.

PS: I will give you credit for admitting your opinion is a biased one.

Man I never said anything was a POS. Holy crap guys. Again I am not a domestic fan. I am in no way trying to 'make my opinion right' Its my opinion and I am entitled to it regardless if it is biased or not. If you don't agree convince me otherwise, don't bash me for it.

Make you a deal. Lets let this thread die until the SHO makes its appearance and we can regroup then.
I am tired of arguing for the sake of arguing.

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It is not a Yamaha based power plant.... Ford designed it all on their own, its called Eco-Boost.
I thought it was a cooperative design that was then built by Yamaha for ford????

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I thought it was a cooperative design that was then built by Yamaha for ford????
Nope.

The only Yamaha currently used in a Ford product that I am aware of is the V8 in the S80.
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