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View Poll Results: How much power will ASR turbo upgrade make on dynojet?
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      04-05-2009, 08:05 PM   #67
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why dont we just wait and see what comes of it?

all i know is there was a quick little 135i today built by asr which is a test bed for future products for our cars. its running, its tuned.. those are the facts. all other shit is pure speculation.
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Well I think when you spend top dollar for a turbo kit it should look and utilize the majority of the OEM system which the piggyback is not, piggybacks are kind of old fashioned. Also a inherent side effect of a piggybacks as is that it only alters or tries to simulate the signal the ECU sees and never changes the actual programming, just attempts to manipulate it. The manipulation can only go so far as most piggybacks alter just one (at most a handful) of signals at certain RPM points and not necessarily the array of load maps the ECU relies on. With today’s ECU’s, signal modifications confuse the ECU’s learning mode often resulting in poor drivability. Also, direct changes in one signal may also trigger indirect changes elsewhere which can lead to undesired consequences. If you have the technical ability to properly adjust the factory ECU, there is no reason to falsify its input signals with a piggyback.
yep... still clueless. Computers don't have feelings. They don't mind being fooled. There are three things that determine engine output: fuel, spark and timing. If you can get the desired output consistently all three fronts, then you have a faultless tune. Doesn't matter if it comes from a piggyback, a flash or a monkey with a soldering iron sitting on the ECU.

Making definitive statements about the benefits or shortcomings of anything that you are not well versed in is nothing but self righteous ignorance. And I can assure you, "Bob Long", you don't know jack about the PROcede.

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Well I think when you spend top dollar for a turbo kit it should look and utilize the majority of the OEM system which the piggyback is not, piggybacks are kind of old fashioned.
Ok. We went from you not being happy due to fuel management, which there is, to the type of tuning method. Home flashing might be readily available in the next year, and they will have all the bugs worked out of this kit.

It is too early to judge. These are very exciting reports on this kit, but I will not be an early adopter for something like this. I plan to sit back and enjoy all the findings for several months.

ASR and Vishnu are doing some great things for the N54 platform and we should all be happy that they enjoy investing their time and effort to bring us better products through their research and development.
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Bob Long is clearly here to try to start shit, i think everyone should do themselves a favor and just put him on your ignore list.
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Bob Long is clearly here to try to start shit, i think everyone should do themselves a favor and just put him on your ignore list.

No that is not why I am here. I see there is a huge folllowing on here for Shiv and there is nothing wrong with that, but please take time to think outside the box if you have any knowledge on turbo kits and not just follow the leader.

I understand I go against the grain here and I do not follow the status quo, but it is my opinnion, it doesn't make it wrong. Also if you had something of value of the tech source then maybe you could keep it on topic and stop making off topic and idiotic posts. Obviously you have nothing to offer so please stay out of the thead. Maybe someone besides Shiv (the owner and seller of a piggyback) that would like to tell me why a piggyback over a full controlling flash?

Note: I am all for the success of this turbo kit and I do appreciate the ground breaking event that Shiv and Amid are putting towards this. It can only grow from here. Please do not read too much into my posts and it may sound a little pessimistic but its really not meant in that manner; I thought this was a public forum to present any opinnions and ideas or thoughts???
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No that is not why I am here. I see there is a huge folllowing on here for Shiv and there is nothing wrong with that, but please take time to think outside the box if you have any knowledge on turbo kits and not just follow the leader.

I understand I go against the grain here and I do not follow the status quo, but it is my opinnion, it doesn't make it wrong. Also if you had something of value of the tech source then maybe you could keep it on topic and stop making off topic and idiotic posts. Obviously you have nothing to offer so please stay out of the thead. Maybe someone besides Shiv (the owner and seller of a piggyback) that would like to tell me why a piggyback over a full controlling flash?

Note: I am all for the success of this turbo kit and I do appreciate the ground breaking event that Shiv and Amid are putting towards this. It can only grow from here. Please do not read too much into my posts and it may sound a little pessimistic but its really not meant in that manner; I thought this was a public forum to present any opinnions and ideas or thoughts???
Take you own advice much?
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Take you own advice much?
Excuse me but I see this forum is E90post.com, NOT VishnuPost.com.

I can relay any thoughts I have towards not liking generic piggybacks for turbo kits.

Lay off, and for a sponsor of the site you are more like the Nazi's and I guess you would be Hitler and your close followers here would be the SS.
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No that is not why I am here. I see there is a huge folllowing on here for Shiv and there is nothing wrong with that, but please take time to think outside the box if you have any knowledge on turbo kits and not just follow the leader.
I'm with you. The piggyback tuning is a somewhat of a joke, but there are other tuning options out there. Just use this thread to evaluate the upgraded turbos and intercooler combo. A used V3 piggyback is $325 so you can always just buy one and then toss it later and get a real tune.
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Excuse me but I see this forum is E90post.com, NOT VishnuPost.com.

I can relay any thoughts I have towards not liking generic piggybacks for turbo kits.

Lay off, and for a sponsor of the site you are more like the Nazi's and I guess you would be Hitler and your close followers here would be the SS.
There's a fine line between being a disingenuous hater/troll (like runningman) and being a ignorant ass. And you just crossed it with your last post. Congrats. Your parents must be proud.
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      04-05-2009, 09:30 PM   #77
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I'm with you. The piggyback tuning is a somewhat of a joke, but there are other tuning options out there. Just use this thread to evaluate the upgraded turbos and intercooler combo. A used V3 piggyback is $325 so you can always just buy one and then toss it later and get a real tune.
somewhat of a joke? So far there have been zero flashes that have been anywhere near impressive. If piggy tuning is 'somewhat of a joke", then flash tuning for this car is a huge joke.
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Back in the day, it was a running joke on message boards that a thread was officially dead when Nazis were mentioned.

I think I can speak for every other reader of this thread in saying that we we care about is (1) how much safe power these upgraded turbos throw down on pump gas with a nice spool/area under the curve, and (2) see (1).
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Excuse me but I see this forum is E90post.com, NOT VishnuPost.com.
You are absolutely correct, but keep in mind it is not ignorantassholes.net either.

If you do not like the product don't buy it, if it is too expensive don't buy it, but please let the people who are interested find out what they can about what is going on... without trying to start a fight at every opportunity.

Come on, don't be THAT guy... realize not everything revolves around you and your opinion. Pay attention to whats going on, or ignore it, but do not stir shit up just because your 5 and 1/2 years in high school wasn't long enough.

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Shiv, full review please.. thanks!
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Flash vs. piggyback. No difference to a motor. At the end of the day, as Shiv said, if you get the desired effect, what difference does it make.
The benefit of a flash is you can change it by plugging in and reflashing.
The benefit of a Piggyback is you can take it on and off easily. Otherwise, no difference. There aren't any magical programings under the surface that a flash can access that a piggyback can't. It isn't that complicated.

Also, as noted, no one has produced a flash that has performed as well as a piggyback so far. Dinan, ESS, etc. don't seem to have anything on Piggybacks, or at least that anyone has shown yet.

So lets see what we get, then start badmouthing it. I'm sure you wouldn't be upset if in the end it was 500hp/tq piggyback or not.
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Im sure a new thread will be started witha full review sometime soon...Shiv should keep posting in this thread to draw all the haters and trolls away from the real review thread...kind of like one of those electric fly traps
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You are absolutely correct, but keep in mind it is not ignorantassholes.net either.

If you do not like the product don't buy it, if it is too expensive don't buy it, but please let the people who are interested find out what they can about what is going on... without trying to start a fight at every opportunity.

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Wow being i am in the market right now for a 335i and seeing the devolpment on a new turbo kit really makes me want a 335i THAT much more. Thank you to Shiv and ASR engineering for doing this . Now lets get some Dyno graphs and videos up!!!!
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Is this your first turbo'd car?
No sir, my 13th. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a piggyback, as long as it's tuned correctly and covers all Fuel and Timing perameters.
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yep... still clueless. Computers don't have feelings. They don't mind being fooled. There are three things that determine engine output: fuel, spark and timing. If you can get the desired output consistently all three fronts, then you have a faultless tune. Doesn't matter if it comes from a piggyback, a flash or a monkey with a soldering iron sitting on the ECU.

Making definitive statements about the benefits or shortcomings of anything that you are not well versed in is nothing but self righteous ignorance. And I can assure you, "Bob Long", you don't know jack about the PROcede.

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VERY VERY Nicely said

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