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      04-08-2009, 09:32 PM   #67
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You should dyno your car with all your mods but with a jB3 (map 6) rather then the PROcede and answer the question of which tune puts down more power once and for all.
Sorry my car is/will be JB free.

That being said.. Look for some interesting results this weekend: I will be performing a scientific experiment
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That's like asking how many jagermeister can someone down before throwing up?

Some folks are pansies and can't take it, others have an iron stomachs. Here's to hoping the N54 turbos have iron stomachs.
Even though I agree with you, it is possible to get an idea of how quickly they'll throw up by looking at them (100lbs chick vs. 300lbs Football player)

Back to my point. I'm simply amazed by these insane numbers you guys are getting out of this engine . I mean, would it be possible to run this kind of boost for everyday use? Or is this more of a "let's see if it's possible" kind of deal?
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Safely or just plain dumb ?....

flame on
Yea about as safe V2 ever was..

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You should dyno your car with all your mods but with a jB3 (map 6) rather then the PROcede and answer the question of which tune puts down more power once and for all.
It would be interesting to see what Terry's car would have dynoed at in cold temps also.
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Safely or just plain dumb ?....

flame on
Lol....you have bought into the bs marketing haven't you? You are the perfect customer for Vishnu, smart enough to type but dumb enough to not understand what is going on. Perfect.
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since Terry doesn't have meth integration or canbus, or even upgraded turbo work done, he does a glory pull on race gas while signing the cross before he hits the loud pedal to draw some attention back his way.

cute. At the expense of his car.
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Lol....you have bought into the bs marketing haven't you? You are the perfect customer for Vishnu, smart enough to type but dumb enough to not understand what is going on. Perfect.
I hate these tuner wars and I usually stay out of them but...come on. You're being ridiculous now. I could go on and on about why I personally think the Rev2 is a better tune, but i won't because it wont change anyones mind who already feels differently. You should do the same. No need to insult people (myself included) who aren't quite convinced that running around on 18 psi of boost on the stock turbos is a good idea.
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since Terry doesn't have meth integration or canbus, or even upgraded turbo work done, he does a glory pull on race gas while signing the cross before he hits the loud pedal to draw some attention back his way.

cute. At the expense of his car.
Expense of his car or not or the expense of his reputation or not, Terry wanted to send one of us that same map to use at the drag strip (last night) but he had tested it too late and we had already made our way down without the uploading equipment.

That "turbomelter" map runs at 17.5psi. I met a Procede V3 fellow who ran stage II non-doomsday on his DCI only 335i and he was averaging 16psi (according to him) across the RPM band. That was more than the map we ran last night as I saw 14-15psi at most.

Risky or possibly not that risky, some people have the balls to run their cars at very high boosts for a few instances to see what results they get.
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since Terry doesn't have meth integration or canbus, or even upgraded turbo work done, he does a glory pull on race gas while signing the cross before he hits the loud pedal to draw some attention back his way.

cute. At the expense of his car.
That is really not necessary. Meth integration is going to be part of the JB3 as Terry has confirmed. If Shiv and Terry can tune the stock turbos, then they can tune upgraded turbos. There is no magic here.

If anything you are corect that canbus integration is part of the Procede.

Let's all just try to keep this from turning into a mess. Both tunes really are great products and everyone that owns an N54 should be glad there is competition. The prices on both the JB line and Procede line have dropped because of the competition and we as consumers have all won.
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That is really not necessary. Meth integration is going to be part of the JB3 as Terry has confirmed. If Shiv and Terry can tune the stock turbos, then they can tune upgraded turbos. There is no magic here.

If anything you are corect that canbus integration is part of the Procede.

Let's all just try to keep this from turning into a mess. Both tunes really are great products and everyone that owns an N54 should be glad there is competition. The prices on both the JB line and Procede line have dropped because of the competition and we as consumers have all won.
+1 Let both tuners experiment and do whatever they like. I'd rather them break turbos, driveshafts, pistons, what have you in an effort to find out what the limits of the car are.

Makes sense to me.
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Very impressive charts for stock turbo. Very smooth too considering. Are they adjusting VANOS now to remove that 4000rpm dip?

It is hard not to compare this to the race gas only ASR chart. You can see the ASR makes 20hp more peak, and holds that peak to redline. So there is much more power under the curve with the ASR kit. Then again how many people are really going to drop 8k installed on a turbo kit?
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Very impressive charts for stock turbo. Very smooth too considering. Are they adjusting VANOS now to remove that 4000rpm dip?

It is hard not to compare this to the race gas only ASR chart. You can see the ASR makes 20hp more peak, and holds that peak to redline. So there is much more power under the curve with the ASR kit. Then again how many people are really going to drop 8k installed on a turbo kit?
yeah but the ASR car is running very conservative... vs. pushing the stock turbos to the brink of destruction @ ~18psi daily driven.

On that note, if anyone ever thought turbo kits for this car would be down below 5k, they are insane and living in a dream world.
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since Terry doesn't have meth integration or canbus, or even upgraded turbo work done, he does a glory pull on race gas while signing the cross before he hits the loud pedal to draw some attention back his way.

cute. At the expense of his car.
I think it is a good comparison to put this against the race gas ASR turbo runs to see what you really get with the turbos. Is this a new stock turbo dyno record?
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its true isn't it? it takes one entrepreneur to see through the perfectly timed BS of a glory pull around the time another accomplish it made to one up each other. Shiv included.

BMW guys are hook-line-sinker as clients.
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its true isn't it? it takes one entrepreneur to see through the perfectly timed BS of a glory pull around the time another accomplish it made to one up each other. Shiv included.

BMW guys are hook-line-sinker as clients.
Sometimes that is part of the dirty game in business. Some like to edge the competition while some like to blow everyone out of the water. Different strategies, but all used and reused.

Just be glad we don't have to deal with a fraud with the caliber such as Hennessey or the likes tuning our cars.
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yeah but the ASR car is running very conservative... vs. pushing the stock turbos to the brink of destruction @ ~18psi daily driven.

On that note, if anyone ever thought turbo kits for this car would be down below 5k, they are insane and living in a dream world.
Are you insinuating vendors are charging us the 'BMW' premium?? I'm aghast at such an implication! lol

I was telling a Civic guy at the strip that I paid $700 bones for DPs and he was like, "I can get a whole cat-back exhauset + DPs for that price!"

lol
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Sometimes that is part of the dirty game in business. Some like to edge the competition while some like to blow everyone out of the water. Different strategies, but all used and reused.

Just be glad we don't have to deal with a fraud with the caliber such as Hennessey or the likes tuning our cars.
thats true. I guess I'm in the wrong market.
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since Terry doesn't have meth integration or canbus, or even upgraded turbo work done, he does a glory pull on race gas while signing the cross before he hits the loud pedal to draw some attention back his way.

cute. At the expense of his car.
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peep my location - homie.

I have my own ecu flash for the 335i.

watching terry grasp at straws as an outsider is hilarious though - i have to comment here and there.
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I love all the "brink of destruction" 18 psi talks. The fact of the matter is that I bet these turbos will do just fine at that boost level for quite a while, if tuners take the necessary steps to ramp down boost over 6k rpm. Mitsu turbos are quite resilient. People have been spinning the CRAP out of them for decades now, making more power than the compressor is even rated for. Is it pushing the envelope? Yes. Is it on the verge of coming apart, highly unlikely. The edge is there to be pushed, that's what the aftermarket does. It wasn't a year ago that 15 psi required race gas and was an "outrageous" tune for a lot of you guys. The number of armchair tuners in this forum with little to no experience outside the N54, and marginal knowledge even on that topic is amazing.
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