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      06-30-2009, 02:22 PM   #45
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ya and iv also noticed 5 million threads on the next map for better driability,power,smoothness ect.

a flash tune is a one time tune that giac wants to put out and never have to update again,maybe once or twice but the final tune is what someone can buy,make decent power and forget about the forums.

if they wanted to run high boost tunes they would need a whole department catering to us guys that keep wanting new maps.

giac will put out a tune and move on,the 335 is not there life,so that is why they will keep it under 15

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there also running race gas at the dyno to post up there dyno qween numbers,no one drives that everyday,why is it that everyone that dynos there 335 runs it with the most agressive non reliable setting with race gas just to post up the highest numbers on the forums?

ohhh to say this jb3 map is better than procede v3.x

go ahead and drive that 19psi dyno in 100+ weather and see how your cars runs after a few weeks
couldnt agree w this part of your post more. its pretty obvious at this point that the JB3 guys are more worried about peak HP numbers and 1/4 mile times, thats literally all they talk about. Procede guys seem to be more worried about the tune working well on daily driving while still producing good numbers. You simply don't see shiv giving you guys a map to hit 17-20psi on the tiny stock snails, and I doubt he will release that to the masses.

I think GIAC will probably limit any sort of boost even on their hottest maps to around 16psi.......but thats just a guess.
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im not to fimiliar with GIAC, but from reading this thread it seems that people are not to crazy about the ESS flash. ive seen pretty good numbers from dynos and hear how great the flash is. it might not be as fast as the JB3/V3 but the stage 3 ESS is up to par with them. maybe i looked over on somethings about the ESS flash. i was soooo close to purchasing it too.
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I run GIAC 91 on my Audi TT 2.0T and love the map - lots of torque and no CELs in 23k miles. I have a flashloader which let's you select between several maps that are already preloaded to the car(91, 100, stock). Let's hope they figured out how to do that with the n54. Driving on a boosted map and able to put it back to a stock map before service with the click of a button is a pretty sweet setup. Helps qwell those warranty voiding concerns!
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Let's hope they figured out how to do that with the n54. Driving on a boosted map and able to put it back to a stock map before service with the click of a button is a pretty sweet setup. Helps qwell those warranty voiding concerns!
That's the golden ticket right there.
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That's the golden ticket right there.
The standard GIAC Flashloader holds multiple maps and can change them with the push of a button.
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The standard GIAC Flashloader holds multiple maps and can change them with the push of a button.
thats great and all, but have they figured how to make that happen on the n54 ECU? I'll be surprised.
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thats great and all, but have they figured how to make that happen on the n54 ECU? I'll be surprised.
That really is the question. However if they have it would be a great market differentiator.

FYI for the new VW/Audi 2.0T TFSI using med 17 engine management GIAC was the first company to offer map switching via the OBD2 port so they have a record of innovation here.
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That really is the question. However if they have it would be a great market differentiator.

FYI for the new VW/Audi 2.0T TFSI using med 17 engine management GIAC was the first company to offer map switching via the OBD2 port so they have a record of innovation here.
that would be the market STOMPER if they figured it out and kept others from replicating.
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I've been using GIAC stuff on my cars for almost 10 years! I know Garret well...I heard you can't move your head an inch forward when you mash it on 2nd! Plus, I've heard from a birdie that there will be different switchable programs, like all the other tunes he does...valet, stock, 91/93, race, etc. all from the keyfob! That's a definite advantage over other flashes. But GIAC has been flashing cars straight through the ODB for a long time now...so, I'm sure GIAC dealers will be able to quickly flash, through the port, on site. I'll be testing very very soon
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I'm sure this will be answered soon but a big question is, will all GIAC dealers be able to flash our cars? That's a main reason I haven't considered the other companies, I don't want to send my ECU somewhere to be programmed.
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...... Plus, I've heard from a birdie that there will be different switchable programs, like all the other tunes he does...valet, stock, 91/93, race, etc. all from the keyfob! That's a definite advantage over other flashes. But GIAC has been flashing cars straight through the ODB for a long time now...so, I'm sure GIAC dealers will be able to quickly flash, through the port, on site. I'll be testing very very soon
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^ that will be huge if its the truth
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If this is truly the case......
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I'm with you on most points! I have procede myself and run 14-15psi max! I don't care about the "jb3 ftw or procede ftw crap" I want something that works reliable and procede has for me! Over 50,000kms so far!
I've dealt with Jeff Moss before and he's awesome! I'm sure he do some magic on this tune as well!

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ya and iv also noticed 5 million threads on the next map for better driability,power,smoothness ect.

a flash tune is a one time tune that giac wants to put out and never have to update again,maybe once or twice but the final tune is what someone can buy,make decent power and forget about the forums.

if they wanted to run high boost tunes they would need a whole department catering to us guys that keep wanting new maps.

giac will put out a tune and move on,the 335 is not there life,so that is why they will keep it under 15

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there also running race gas at the dyno to post up there dyno qween numbers,no one drives that everyday,why is it that everyone that dynos there 335 runs it with the most agressive non reliable setting with race gas just to post up the highest numbers on the forums?

ohhh to say this jb3 map is better than procede v3.x

go ahead and drive that 19psi dyno in 100+ weather and see how your cars runs after a few weeks
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a flash tune is a one time tune that giac wants to put out and never have to update again,maybe once or twice but the final tune is what someone can buy,make decent power and forget about the forums.
And your source for this information is...? Just because they have not been here responding to every little thread posted mentioning them does not mean they will produce shovel ware and then disappear. We won't know how good or bad this tune is till its released.

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if they wanted to run high boost tunes they would need a whole department catering to us guys that keep wanting new maps. giac will put out a tune and move on,the 335 is not there life,so that is why they will keep it under 15
Again, your source for this information is...? If there is demand for new maps, why would they not continue to R and D new ones? The very fact they are bothering with our segment of the aftermarket argues against this.

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there also running race gas at the dyno to post up there dyno qween numbers,no one drives that everyday,why is it that everyone that dynos there 335 runs it with the most agressive non reliable setting with race gas just to post up the highest numbers on the forums? ohhh to say this jb3 map is better than procede v3.x. go ahead and drive that 19psi dyno in 100+ weather and see how your cars runs after a few weeks
And what does this rant have to do with GIAC or anything for that matter? Some people like making big numbers and running race gas, more power to them. Literally. If you don't want to, good for you, no one is forcing you to. Also, have you done any research or surveys of people running these maps to see the frequency of failure versus the stock car or people running other tunes or do you have access to this information? I doubt you do. Aside from hearsay from the forums I am betting you have no idea how reliable these tunes are. But feel free to post actual data on the subject to prove me wrong. That is, non hearsay, actual data showing failure rates. I am sure everyone on the forum would love to see that as well.

Your real purpose here is obvious, to shit all over a tune that is not even out yet, in some vain attempt to defend your own purchase of a competing tune. That is the only real purpose to your discussion of the Procede or JB3. If you are happy with your tune, good. But posting up attacks on other tunes is pointless without real data to back up your arguments.
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I'm with you on most points! I have procede myself and run 14-15psi max! I don't care about the "jb3 ftw or procede ftw crap" I want something that works reliable and procede has for me! Over 50,000kms so far!
I've dealt with Jeff Moss before and he's awesome! I'm sure he do some magic on this tune as well!
You know, you guys really should be careful with those general statements. IMHO your post makes it seem like the JB3 does not work and is not reliable.

Not everyone runs 17 or 18 psi on a JB3 and I can also say that for 58k miles now the JB has done just dandy

I think the majority of tuned owners regardless of the tune want something reliable that gives maximum performance as safe as possible.

Regardless, I am VERY excited to see what GIAC has to offer for the 335i and look forward to more info soon!
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very exciting GIAC is a very reputable ECU tuner.

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I'm with you on most points! I have procede myself and run 14-15psi max! I don't care about the "jb3 ftw or procede ftw crap" I want something that works reliable and procede has for me! Over 50,000kms so far!
I've dealt with Jeff Moss before and he's awesome! I'm sure he do some magic on this tune as well!
Jeff and his family are good friends of mine...He is a great Tuner and mechanic...All those Monster B5 Stage 4 S4s he has done are beasts. I love my JB3 but Im excited to see what Garret has done...His encryption is just about done for it so very very soooon here!
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couldnt agree w this part of your post more. its pretty obvious at this point that the JB3 guys are more worried about peak HP numbers and 1/4 mile times, thats literally all they talk about. Procede guys seem to be more worried about the tune working well on daily driving while still producing good numbers. You simply don't see shiv giving you guys a map to hit 17-20psi on the tiny stock snails, and I doubt he will release that to the masses.

I think GIAC will probably limit any sort of boost even on their hottest maps to around 16psi.......but thats just a guess.

Sniz, any flash can up the the boost to any level you want. The issue is the safety protocols that are also within the data, I can be done, but it's foolhardy.

I'm sure there are some cars that can handle it, but the majority probably can't.
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