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      07-06-2009, 04:45 PM   #67
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+1... I am running 5-29 maps which default at 75%
Should I drop to 70%?
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      07-06-2009, 05:09 PM   #68
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Yes, for Stage 1.
Why the drop from 75% to 70% for manual cars? It used to be for stage 1 manual cars was 75% and for autos, 70%.
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Why the drop from 75% to 70% for manual cars? It used to be for stage 1 manual cars was 75% and for autos, 70%.
I saw the 5-29 6AT non-doomsday Stage 1 map default @ 70% (v3 Rev 1), but with all the previous talk of the map default @ 75%, I went ahead and bumped it up to 75% UT...been running well with no issues in 92 degree F/high humidity summer weather.
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50% will remove 50% of the ignition correct being applied. For instance, if 3 degrees were being remove at 5000 RPM at 100%, at 50% only 1.5 degrees would be removed.

0% would be having no ignition timing correction.
Besides the two codes below, have you run into any other codes that imply timing is not where it should be and the DME is having to pull timing?

30D0 12496 Glow ignition: cylinder 6 Excessive knock
30F1 12529 Glow ignition: cylinder 5 Excessive knock
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Besides the two codes below, have you run into any other codes that imply timing is not where it should be and the DME is having to pull timing?

30D0 12496 Glow ignition: cylinder 6 Excessive knock
30F1 12529 Glow ignition: cylinder 5 Excessive knock
No, I haven't dug into this further. But it says the DME was not happy about timing. What were the conditions?
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No, I haven't dug into this further. But it says the DME was not happy about timing. What were the conditions?
I didn't throw them. just noticed they were the only ones in the spreadsheet that Shiv put out there. I haven't done much logging with the Procede or the BT tool yet. It would be nice to see some concise directions on the steps to find if you are having knock.

I will look forward to Shiv's documentation.
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I didn't throw them. just noticed they were the only ones in the spreadsheet that Shiv put out there. I haven't done much logging with the Procede or the BT tool yet. It would be nice to see some concise directions on the steps to find if you are having knock.
Gotcha, I have never seen those codes set even with a variety of tunes installed and with no adaptation.

Logging the Knock Status and Ignition timing are the key areas if/when playing with Ign Cor value. If you see a Knock Status value of 1 or of overall timing is lower, you may want to adjust conservatively.
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I saw the 5-29 6AT non-doomsday Stage 1 map default @ 70% (v3 Rev 1), but with all the previous talk of the map default @ 75%, I went ahead and bumped it up to 75% UT...been running well with no issues in 92 degree F/high humidity summer weather.
The text accompanying the last maps stating 75% for Stage 1 was a typo, according to Shiv. The text was supposed to read 70%, just as the map actually was when downloaded. Stage 1 default remains 70% with the newest maps.
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The text accompanying the last maps stating 75% for Stage 1 was a typo, according to Shiv. The text was supposed to read 70%, just as the map actually was when downloaded. Stage 1 default remains 70% with the newest maps.
I don't think you're correct when it comes to both transmissions. If that was for the autos, then yes, the default was and still is, 70%. However, the 5-29 MT maps for stage 1 were 75% as the default and that's what got loaded.
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Autotune feature should eliminate all this confusion and allow for max safe perfomance I think. Why not just leave everything alone if you are confused and wait for the idiot-proof autotune feature to come out? Hopefully Vishnu can shed a light on their thinking here. Seems a lot of folks are getting needlessly confused.
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I don't think you're correct when it comes to both transmissions. If that was for the autos, then yes, the default was and still is, 70%. However, the 5-29 MT maps for stage 1 were 75% as the default and that's what got loaded.
I should have clarified that I was commenting on the Stage 1 AT maps. I was answering sflgator's post and he is AT.
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Autotune feature should eliminate all this confusion and allow for max safe perfomance I think. Why not just leave everything alone if you are confused and wait for the idiot-proof autotune feature to come out? Hopefully Vishnu can shed a light on their thinking here. Seems a lot of folks are getting needlessly confused.
This is the same type of ill-considered, impulsive comment I was getting on the previous thread when I had noticed the discrepancy between the text and the actual map setting. I'm not confused, and don't need to wait for an "idiot-proof" feature. I just wanted to clarify what the default setting was supposed to be, as it was different than the accompanying text on Vishnu's website.
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The text accompanying the last maps stating 75% for Stage 1 was a typo, according to Shiv. The text was supposed to read 70%, just as the map actually was when downloaded. Stage 1 default remains 70% with the newest maps.
Oh, great...so, I'm running in 92 degree F/high humidity heat @ 75% UT on the 5-29 non-doomsday Stage 1 6AT map (with just PROcede v3 and stock intake since I removed the Afe DCI a while ago) when I should be @ 70% UT. Well, at least I'm running on 93 octane (and no hiccups so far).
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70% vs 75%: We are talking about a 1/4psi differential. Not the end of the word. Just stick with the baseline maps and default User Torque. At least until I post up our custom tuning tutorial.

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I just picked up my Canbus from my local shop, and I notice it's got "CanbusX" on the wiring harness. Is this the new or the old Canbus version, I thought I read that only the Jan-Feb ones had the X on the harness? Just wondering before I install it, I can take it back and get the correct current one.

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I just picked up my Canbus from my local shop, and I notice it's got "CanbusX" on the wiring harness. Is this the new or the old Canbus version, I thought I read that only the Jan-Feb ones had the X on the harness? Just wondering before I install it, I can take it back and get the correct current one.

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It's the new one. Fully enabled CANbus.

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70% vs 75%: We are talking about a 1/4psi differential. Not the end of the word. Just stick with the baseline maps and default User Torque. At least until I post up our custom tuning tutorial.

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That's what we've been trying to tell you.. The default on 5-29 is 75% not 70% like you keep saying ...
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Hi guys and Shiv,

I drove with the last maps, I have stg0 but run with map stg1. I logged CAN KNOCK with UT=10%,overboost limit to 12, overbosst delay 10, ign correct 100, Wgate DC limit 55. O2 100.
The car run good in valet mode and this map, but I read sometimes value 1 in CAN KNOCK, is this normal Shiv?

I don´t know read the DME codes, how can I read it?

what is CAN DWB throttle?

CAN oil temp is stopped all time, how can i change the units to ēC?

I want to log Wastegate DC, before it was DEBUG word 2 and 3, now? What do you mean with In/out?

What is the exact meaning of Wastegate Dc limit, can I log aperture o close the wastegate valve?

Thank a lot

I can send you the data logging.
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I know everyone is anxious but Please wait for documentation. Writing it now. Pretty easy to follow but quite a bit of info.

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I know everyone is anxious but Please wait for documentation. Writing it now. Pretty easy to follow but quite a bit of info.

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Thank you Shiv, I am waiting anxious this doc, but
I am running the newest 6MT stg1 map, is it safe? Are you going to do a 6MT stg0 map?
Are normal the CAN knock values=1?

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Thank you Shiv, I am waiting anxious this doc, but
I am running the newest 6MT stg1 map, is it safe? Are you going to do a 6MT stg0 map?
Are normal the CAN knock values=1?

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There is no Stg 0 map. You can run Stg 1 map on a stock or mildly modified car. It is normal to see knock value equal 1 from time to time, depending on condition. Which is why you will need to read the documentation to determine if the occurrence is undesirable or not. It will explain everything. Until then, just run the map and enjoy. No need to fiddle with anything.

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This is the same type of ill-considered, impulsive comment I was getting on the previous thread when I had noticed the discrepancy between the text and the actual map setting. I'm not confused, and don't need to wait for an "idiot-proof" feature. I just wanted to clarify what the default setting was supposed to be, as it was different than the accompanying text on Vishnu's website.
Sorry there. Did not intend to imply you are confused nor did I imply you are an idiot. I simply made a an observation that an autotune would be less confusing because everyone knows it will auto-adjust as necessary. And who reads documentation? Not 90% of end users. I know, I am a software engineer, and there are studys that prove this. That is regardless of how good or easy the documentation is. So, you need to "idiot-proof" everything as much as possible. No implication that anyone is an idiot. It refers to simple user interface design that lends itself to obvious operation with no need for manuals...
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