[toxicnerve]

Hrm,

There's a post on PH about this, apparently it's also a problem on the 1-Series. There's also someone suggesting that the part that is causing the problem is also used on VAG cars and they've had issues too. Man, I am getting closer and closer to pulling the trigger on an E92 but this issue keeps rearing it's ugly head and keeps holding me back...

Surely a recall is in order? Can we get some official comment from BMW on this?

/looks over in Darrend Edwards' direction...

EDIT:

Here's the PH thread:

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/t...ies/3%20series

[Dr Dave]

BMW will not comment/Nor will Darren - and even if they did they would deny any problem.

Bit like the various MINI issues!

[toxicnerve]

Originally Posted by Dr Dave

BMW will not comment/Nor will Darren - and even if they did they would deny any problem.

Bit like the various MINI issues!

Obviously, you are right. They will just keep their mouths shut and leave consumers in the dark.

It's difficult to gauge the situation via the internet. Internet forums/views are severely skewed by the fact that generally it's those who have problems who post and are most vocal about it. The other 99% of people who have not had any issues tend to be much quieter about their experiences. Having said all that, the fact that this issue keeps popping up on various sites is quite worrying. Especially when it is occurring at (in some cases) fairly low mileage levels.

[e90se]

Hi

Continental Teves MK60 unit is the DSC unit at fault. VAG group, (Audi,Seat,VW,Skoda) use the same component and are having similar failures. None of these manufacturers are recalling cars.

I suspect we need letters to Watchdog or other motoring mags.

[toxicnerve]

Originally Posted by e90se

Hi

Continental Teves MK60 unit is the DSC unit at fault. VAG group, (Audi,Seat,VW,Skoda) use the same component and are having similar failures. None of these manufacturers are recalling cars.

I suspect we need letters to Watchdog or other motoring mags.

I agree, none of the manufacturers will do anything until the profile of this problem is increased somewhat.

Those who have had problems need to start making more noises i think...

[us_abm]

Hi All,
I'm having the same problem as most of you,
Purchased my BMW 320D auto 05 (currently 48K) from main dealer less than 2 years ago,
warranty ran out in Jan 09…which my mistake I didn’t renew
DSC light came on, booked it in to main dealer explained which lights were on. Went into drop the car off, was told they would charge £125+VAT for diagnosing the problem, and then let me know the cost of fixing it. Not really sure why as much £125 as the lights should already tell them what the problem is, and surly it shouldn’t take a whole day(£125 days labour) to diagnose what the problem is.
Thought ok wont argue too much hopefully it wont to costly to sort the prob out. Yep very naïve….when the rang me up to tell me what the problem was and how much it was going to cost….nearly fell through the floor! Gutted, so wasn’t what to do, as I only thought it needed a service which it went in for.
Was usual story of goodwill gesture….in my case they would knock of 80% of part only…..
So the cost to me would be around £750(inclusive, part, labor, reprogramming, vat)….this on top of the £125+vat already paid for plugging in a computer and reading what it tells em(apparently a days work)
Told them will think about it as service cost me over £400, and also told will need 4 new tires soon…..
Looking on this forum the goodwill seems to vary person to person……so wanted to ask if others think this is reasonable?
Thanks,
Disgruntled BMW driver
p.s every time i go into BMW I feel like I’ve been ripped off!

[anagramer]

I bought 56 plate from well known dealer in north glasgow January 2008
DSC warning light came on last week - the car was 4 weeks out of warranty!!



After reading posts here I was not entirely sure how much the repair would cost but unbelievably, the dealer offered the repair FREE OF CHARGE - otherwise a £1700 bill was on the way - phew!

Well done North Glasgow BMW dealer (DglPrk) - you know who you are!

Thought I was going to be ripped off but...Couldn't recommend them highly enough

[bmwkong]

Guys I just started a new thread about my failure....I did not realise this was already being discussed/common problem on this thread....but after reading this thread...i am not a happy bunny knowing I may have a huge bill soon............my situation (from the new thread I created) is as below:

------------------------------------------------------------
Just after some info or advice from anyone who may have had these warning lights before. Car is an E90 318i M Sport 2006 with 40k milleage 7 months out of warranty.

So started car today only to be welcomed be 2 warning lights on the dash:

1) AMBER warning triangle with an arrow around it
Had a look in the manual and it states DTC malfunction

2) AMBER brake symbol

Does anyone have an idea what could have failed here and possibly costs??? Spoke to dealers who say they need the car for an entire day just to diagnoise... Bit difficult considering I work out of town so might have to wait 3weeks until I have a week off work.

Also as the car is driving competely fine (though maybe without DTC running) would these two warning lights have any effect at MOT?

Starting to get peed off with this motor now...not only 6 months ago, just after the 3yr manufacture warranty expired, the shaft eccentric valve sensor failed. Total bill in excess of £400. Luckily BMW contributed so my cost came to £80 odd.

Really hope this isnt going to cost the same as not sure if BMW will contribute this time considering it is 7 months out of warranty now, though I do have full BMW service history.
------------------------------------------------------------


I'll keep this thread updated with what BMW say once it gets booked in. Im trying to get it in asap now! Buggers want £105+VAT just to diagnoise. Completely outragous if you ask me!!!


EDIT: Just booked in for diagnoisis 06th Nov. Not looking forward to that day now!

Think I might go back to Mercedes. My last Merc (which I had for 3 years) got to 200k miles with only 1 swicth ever failing during that time, brake switch - part and labour cost.....................£50. Sorry...don't want to start a debate....I know all marques seem to have their own issues.....but my personal experience so far favours Merc now.

[neo871]

My car is one year old and the DSC unit "failed" twice already. In both cases there were minor issued; that's why I've concluded there are A LOT of reasons that could cause the DSC to fail. I think that rarely there is a case when the actual unit fails completely.

[Dr Dave]

Originally Posted by bmwkong

Just booked in for diagnoisis 06th Nov. Not looking forward to that day now!

I expect you will get a 100% parts contribution, maybe even a little labour too.

[simsi-55-e90-320d-black]

Hydro unit just failed on my 55 plate 3 series. cost £50 Diagnosis - £216 labour - £1400 parts 100% good will gesture on parts rest to be paid by me,which is not bad considering she's covered 126000 miles.Cant understand where some other dealers on here get there diagnostic prices tho????

[Dr Dave]

I get the impression they think of a number and double it, see what the reaction of the customer is.

[Tunna_uk]

Originally Posted by simsi-55-e90-320d-black

Hydro unit just failed on my 55 plate 3 series. cost £50 Diagnosis - £216 labour - £1400 parts 100% good will gesture on parts rest to be paid by me,which is not bad considering she's covered 126000 miles.Cant understand where some other dealers on here get there diagnostic prices tho????

Who was the dealer please

[simsi-55-e90-320d-black]

Originally Posted by Tunna_uk

Who was the dealer please

Stratstone,ps good will gesture was completley unprompted.due to collect on monday so figers crossed,(hopefully air con will be fixed then too


heard ful service history has a lot to do with there willingness to cough up.....

[bmwkong]

Right, so I dropped the car off at the dealers at 8am.

Just had the dredded phone call from them at 10am...................

DSC hydro unit failed.......£1300+vat for part + £357 labour + 45mins diagnostics.

However BMW have agreed to pay 100% parts 0% labour....leaving me with a total bill of £420. I requested the dealer to re-request some contribution from BMW for the labour but the dealer refused to re-request saying this is the final goodwill offer from BMW. Is that normal?

Im still not happy that they are not contributing something towards labour. If they are willing to pay 100% parts, surely they are accepting that this unit should not be failing so early on and so should be covering the total cost if not some contribution towards labour???

I have given the dealer the go ahead for the repair as they have the part in stock.

Do you guys think this outcome is fair considering the car is 7 months out of warranty and has full BMW service history?

I might still write to BMW to express my dissatisfaction with the situation.

Or should I suck it and be done with it ?? Opinions please

Oh and milleage is only 40K.

[toxicnerve]

Originally Posted by bmwkong

Right, so I dropped the car off at the dealers at 8am.

Just had the dredded phone call from them at 10am...................

DSC hydro unit failed.......£1300+vat for part + £357 labour + 45mins diagnostics.

However BMW have agreed to pay 100% parts 0% labour....leaving me with a total bill of £420. I requested the dealer to re-request some contribution from BMW for the labour but the dealer refused to re-request saying this is the final goodwill offer from BMW. Is that normal?

Im still not happy that they are not contributing something towards labour. If they are willing to pay 100% parts, surely they are accepting that this unit should not be failing so early on and so should be covering the total cost if not some contribution towards labour???

I have given the dealer the go ahead for the repair as they have the part in stock.

Do you guys think this outcome is fair considering the car is 7 months out of warranty and has full BMW service history?

I might still write to BMW to express my dissatisfaction with the situation.

Or should I suck it and be done with it ?? Opinions please

Oh and milleage is only 40K.

My personal opinion, failures like this at anything under 100,000 miles are totally unacceptable. This part should be good for the life of the car if you ask me.

If it's true that this is a common part between BMW and VAG cars and they are both having issues with a high rate of a failures a recall should be issued.

[ROCKETRON]

This does seem to be a common problem. My hydraulic unit and ecu on 06 sport was changed a month or so ago but i was on extended warranty so only paid my excess.
By the way "us_abm" £125 represents an hour not a days labour for your diagnosis.

[bmwkong]

toxicnerve and rocketron, thanks for your replies. I totally agree and maybe I should have taken out the extended warranty. Though I was never contacted about taking it out when the 3 years expired and I forgot to follow it up.

Anyway I have now picked the car up and all appears to be resolved.

A full software update was carried out and the final bill came to £370 all in, including diagnostics. All in all its not a bad ending I guess.

Only 1 thing I noticed after leaving the dealers is my service remaining is now 4000miles whereas before it was 10000miles ???

Should I question this?

[Dr Dave]

I think you have done alright.

[simsi-55-e90-320d-black]

[quote=bmwkong;6166739]toxicnerve and rocketron, thanks for your replies. I totally agree and maybe I should have taken out the extended warranty. Though I was never contacted about taking it out when the 3 years expired and I forgot to follow it up.

Anyway I have now picked the car up and all appears to be resolved.

A full software update was carried out and the final bill came to £370 all in, including diagnostics. All in all its not a bad ending I guess.

Only 1 thing I noticed after leaving the dealers is my service remaining is now 4000miles whereas before it was 10000miles ???

Should I question this?[/QU
may sound like daft question but they havent by any chance been on a 6000 mile joy ride in it have they??

[toxicnerve]

I wonder if they were "testing" it after the parts were replaced to ensure the DSC/DTC etc was all working correctly...

If they were doing a "real world" test of this it would involve spanking the sh*t out of the car to see if the electronics stepped in to recover any slide. This driving style would quickly see a reduction in the service interval...

I personally would raise it but that's from a laymans point of view.

[bmwkong]

I wouldnt put it pass the buggers

But I made a note of the milleage before and after and I dont even think it left the garage.

I looked into this a little bit more and the 'service info' icons has slightly changed with the new software code.

The 4000miles to service (shown everytime the car is switched on) is actually the same as the remaining time for the front brakes. The technician did mention to me that the front pads are getting low and there is a large lip on the disc, which may also need replacing.

I think he has manually set the front brakes count down to 4000miles (from the original 10000miles) until check/replace. So everytime the car is switched on it displays 4000miles until next service item.