E90Post
 


Bimmer Retrofit
 
BMW 3-Series (E90 E92) Forum > BIMMERPOST Universal Forums > Off-Topic Discussions Board > Politics/Religion > This is our congress.



Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      11-10-2009, 11:35 AM   #1
fdsasdasdf
Captain
 
fdsasdasdf's Avatar
 
Drives: 330Ci ZHP 6sp
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Raleigh, NC

Posts: 779
iTrader: (0)

This is our congress.



Yep, this is apparently what our government has turned into. Imagine if our founding fathers were this childish during the Declaration of Independence or the writing of the Constitution.
fdsasdasdf is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      11-10-2009, 01:07 PM   #2
EDK99
Captain
 
Drives: 07 E85 M
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: FL

Posts: 935
iTrader: (0)

The last few seconds sums it up.

"Lets let the discussion go forward. It is not hurting anything and there is no advantage being achieved by making all this fuss."

Basically if you oppose government run health care shut the hell up so we can pass this crap.
__________________
2007 e85
Imola Red | Black Leather | Carbon Leather Trim | Premium | Navigation | Heated Seats
EDK99 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      11-10-2009, 01:13 PM   #3
RambleJ
Colonel
 
RambleJ's Avatar
 
Drives: F10 535i M-sport
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Back in teh so cal

Posts: 2,013
iTrader: (2)

Quote:
Originally Posted by EK_335i View Post
Basically if you oppose government run health care shut the hell up so we can pass this crap.
Bingo! Thats exactly what I see happening there.
RambleJ is offline   No_Country
0
Reply With Quote
      11-10-2009, 01:43 PM   #4
quagmire
I am Gundam
 
quagmire's Avatar
 
Drives: 2014 Cadillac ATS 3.6 AWD
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: USA

Posts: 1,157
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by EK_335i View Post
The last few seconds sums it up.

"Lets let the discussion go forward. It is not hurting anything and there is no advantage being achieved by making all this fuss."

Basically if you oppose government run health care shut the hell up so we can pass this crap.
So you approve of not letting the side that supports it get a word in edge wise? They can oppose it all they want. But, they did not have the floor. Let the supporters speak and then object to what they said. Not what they can't say. All the supporters could say was, " The" before the opposition started going, " I object!"

It's not an issue of shutting up the opposition's opinion. It is an issue of them being completely immature about it. It sounded like 5 year olds going, " lalalalalala I can't hear you!" when you're trying to talk to them, but they don't want to hear it. These are grown men and women. Try to be civil. Let the other side finish and then voice your opinion.
quagmire is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      11-10-2009, 01:55 PM   #5
lib
Major
 
lib's Avatar
 
Drives: <This space for rent>
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: ATX

Posts: 1,405
iTrader: (0)

It's not just us... Legislative bodies around the world are all insane.




I still swear the British House of Commons has a 2 drink minimum:


lib is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      11-10-2009, 02:05 PM   #6
fdsasdasdf
Captain
 
fdsasdasdf's Avatar
 
Drives: 330Ci ZHP 6sp
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Raleigh, NC

Posts: 779
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by EK_335i View Post
"Lets let the discussion go forward. It is not hurting anything and there is no advantage being achieved by making all this fuss."

Basically if you oppose government run health care shut the hell up so we can pass this crap.
How are you getting that interpretation out of this? That's not what they're saying. They're saying let both parties speak. One side is being childish and sounds like a stubborn mule during the time that the other side is trying to speak their views. If they have a legitimate objection, then they should state it. But it's obvious in this clip that they are just simply trying to drown out the other party entirely.
fdsasdasdf is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      11-10-2009, 06:40 PM   #7
shpirate87
Captain
 
Drives: 335ix
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: NJ

Posts: 706
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zell View Post
How are you getting that interpretation out of this? That's not what they're saying. They're saying let both parties speak. One side is being childish and sounds like a stubborn mule during the time that the other side is trying to speak their views. If they have a legitimate objection, then they should state it. But it's obvious in this clip that they are just simply trying to drown out the other party entirely.
I am afraid that you do not understand the rules of the House. Each of the Democrats in the video is asking for unanimous consent, every time such a request is made, the Republican objects. Under the rules there is no requirement to state the objection but simply to object. If the Democrat did not ask for such unanimous consent, the Republicans could not object. The Democrats were capable of making their statements without interruption if they were willing to do so without being able to go back and edit what they said on the floor in the Congressional Record.
shpirate87 is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      11-10-2009, 07:03 PM   #8
fdsasdasdf
Captain
 
fdsasdasdf's Avatar
 
Drives: 330Ci ZHP 6sp
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Raleigh, NC

Posts: 779
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryan0102 View Post
filibusters have been going on for how long now?
Dummy, they pretty much ended in 1917. Great little thing called cloture.
fdsasdasdf is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      11-10-2009, 08:31 PM   #9
scollins
Bootleggin' 'n Gunrunnin'
 
scollins's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 e70 X5 35d
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Renton, WA

Posts: 2,345
iTrader: (3)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zell View Post
Dummy, they pretty much ended in 1917. Great little thing called cloture.
Senate filibusters still exist, and they happen ALL THE TIME! Where have you been? Senate rules were adopted in 1917 that added the Cloture option at 2/3rds majority, which was later revised to 3/5ths. Filibusters haven't existed in the House since 1846 (I believe...)

Quote:
Between 1999 and 2007, the number of Senate filibusters varied between 20 and 37 per session, a bipartisan effort.
Source: http://100days.blogs.nytimes.com/200...flicted-wound/

Cloture requires 60 votes in the Senate, so if you only get 59 to end debate (cloture), then the filibuster continues. That is why the Democrats were so happy to theoretically get their 60 votes in the Senate (assuming no dissenters and that the two Indy's would caucus with the Dems.)


Oh, and here is the procedure for the House's Unanimous Consent:
Quote:
Unanimous Consent
For some noncontroversial matters, the Speaker will recognize a Member to ask for
unanimous consent that a measure be passed. If any Member objects to the request, the measure will fail to pass. In this circumstance, no formal debate can take place, but Members may sometimes reserve the right to object in order to clarify the content or purposes of a measure. Unanimous consent requests can also be made to provide for consideration of a measure, although this is rare. The request may designate a procedure under which debate may take place and amendments may be offered. Typically, the Speaker will not recognize a Member to make a unanimous consent request unless it has been cleared by both the majority and minority.
I noted a particular sentence of interest. So by invoking the rules, he is somehow being childish? It clearly states that any member objecting means it fails. Once it fails, there is absolutely no reason to keep reading, or to continue asking for the Unanimous Consent for that particular item.

Source: http://www.rules.house.gov/Archives/RS20067.pdf
__________________
Scott
2010 E70 X5 35d
Alpine White on Black with Dark Bamboo trim
ZAP | ZCW | ZPP | ZPS | ZRC | ZTP | 322 | 328 | 330 | 386 | 4AZ | 4UB | 655 | 6FL | 6NF
2008 Ducati 1098S Red naturally....
scollins is offline   No_Country
0
Reply With Quote
      11-10-2009, 10:26 PM   #10
InsaneSkippy
Lieutenant Colonel
 
InsaneSkippy's Avatar
 
Drives: 135i
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Florida

Posts: 1,598
iTrader: (1)

Send a message via AIM to InsaneSkippy Send a message via MSN to InsaneSkippy
Once again the crazy right is acting like a bunch of kids who got bullied in school.

They've shown that they deserve no respect and are not willing to have a logical debate. They're acting like 12 year olds.
__________________

InsaneSkippy is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:23 AM.




e90post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST