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      01-25-2010, 11:10 PM   #1
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Motor Trend Magazine checks in after 1300miles with the 335d

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Motor Trend magazine has embarked on an exploration of what its like to live with a Diesel powered car in the USA. One of their long term road test cars happens to be a beautiful montego blue 335d sedan. In the article, they document their 1300mile experience with the car. Its just a start, but I hope to read more about the car and what everyday life with it in the US will be like.

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Does a diesel make sense in America's wide open spaces? You bet. So much so that I'm still struggling to understand why, of all the programs cash-strapped GM had to cut, it chose to stop work on the new light duty 4.5-liter Duramax V-8 diesel for the GMT900 pickups and SUVs.
Link to the full article: http://blogs.motortrend.com/6615341/...35d/index.html
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it would have sucked if his HPFP went out while in the dessert...
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it would have sucked if his HPFP went out while in the dessert...
Indeed. It would have meant he wasn't driving a diesel.
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Indeed. It would have meant he wasn't driving a diesel.
QFT. The diesel isn't built the same as the N54, thus does not have a HPFP (the diesel engine doesn't need it), and so far (crossing my fingers), there are no major known issues.
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QFT. The diesel isn't built the same as the N54, thus does not have a HPFP (the diesel engine doesn't need it), and so far (crossing my fingers), there are no major known issues.
Diesel have a high pressure fuel pump for sometime. HPFP are new to gasoline engine. They are require for Direct injection engine.

The HPFP in the 335d is part number 13517804409

http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts...58&hg=13&fg=15

BTW, the diesel HPFP pump the fuel to even larger pressure than the gasoline engine. A major advantage of diesel over gasoline is that diesel act as a lubricant.
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I've been really interested in the 335d for a while, but would it be really worth it coming from a 330i that does 20/30 mpg and has manual to a 335d that gets 23/36 (I believe). What do you think?
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I have to say, I'm not impressed with the mpg figures they're reporting in the article. I've done just about as well w/my 335i on similar-length trips. Around here diesel is more expensive than 93 octane gas. If I had a 335d I don't think I'd be able to recoup the extra cost of the car/fuel for as long as I owned the vehicle.
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I've been really interested in the 335d for a while, but would it be really worth it coming from a 330i that does 20/30 mpg and has manual to a 335d that gets 23/36 (I believe). What do you think?
The "d" is a different type of drive and it was worth it for me.
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I have to say, I'm not impressed with the mpg figures they're reporting in the article. I've done just about as well w/my 335i on similar-length trips. Around here diesel is more expensive than 93 octane gas. If I had a 335d I don't think I'd be able to recoup the extra cost of the car/fuel for as long as I owned the vehicle.
per http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/sbs.htm

335i with A/T 17 / 26 and the 335d (A/T standard) is 23 / 36. Safe to say on "your trips" you'd probably get better mileage than they did. Can't argue that.
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I have to say, I'm not impressed with the mpg figures they're reporting in the article. I've done just about as well w/my 335i on similar-length trips. Around here diesel is more expensive than 93 octane gas. If I had a 335d I don't think I'd be able to recoup the extra cost of the car/fuel for as long as I owned the vehicle.
Add to that the cost of refilling Urea every 15K miles service I think it is. Regardless, you have to fill when you go in for some service. You can add a piggy back like procede to your 335i, get diesel like torque, and tone more horse power, and keep the high revving character for a whole bunch more fun to drive. That is if you are so inclined to tamper with the stock car ofcourse, and not entirely necessary.
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Add to that the cost of refilling Urea every 15K miles service I think it is. Regardless, you have to fill when you go in for some service. You can add a piggy back like procede to your 335i, get diesel like torque, and tone more horse power, and keep the high revving character for a whole bunch more fun to drive. That is if you are so inclined to tamper with the stock car ofcourse, and not entirely necessary.
a bottle of that urea is 10-15 bucks and is covered under maintenance for free.

tuners over in europe have modified the engine in the 335d to make a hell of a lot more torque than a 335i could make on stock turbos
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Diesel have a high pressure fuel pump for sometime. HPFP are new to gasoline engine. They are require for Direct injection engine.

The HPFP in the 335d is part number 13517804409

http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts...58&hg=13&fg=15

BTW, the diesel HPFP pump the fuel to even larger pressure than the gasoline engine. A major advantage of diesel over gasoline is that diesel act as a lubricant.
I should have clarified.

I meant that it's not the same HPFP that exists in the 335i.

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I have to say, I'm not impressed with the mpg figures they're reporting in the article. I've done just about as well w/my 335i on similar-length trips. Around here diesel is more expensive than 93 octane gas. If I had a 335d I don't think I'd be able to recoup the extra cost of the car/fuel for as long as I owned the vehicle.
Bet money that he was pushing the car a lot harder than belied in the article.



This is mixed city/highway. My trip to Phoenix over the holiday had me pacing for a 700+ mile tank (and I didn't go the random routes he did), until I started doing a bit of city driving while there.

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Add to that the cost of refilling Urea every 15K miles service I think it is. Regardless, you have to fill when you go in for some service. You can add a piggy back like procede to your 335i, get diesel like torque, and tone more horse power, and keep the high revving character for a whole bunch more fun to drive. That is if you are so inclined to tamper with the stock car ofcourse, and not entirely necessary.
Urea is ridiculously cheap, and as mentioned, is covered by the maintenance agreement..and it's every 15k miles. Really not a big deal. A 125lb/ft torque boost is not common out of JUST a PROcede, and requires bolt-ons as well. Add a tune to the 335d, however, and you're over 500lb/ft of torque with minimal effort (and I *am* talking about at the wheels, not at the crank, since the car already has 525lb/ft of torque at the crank, give or take). Since you've apparently not driven the 335d, your opinion is subjective about 'fun to drive'. You don't need to rev to 8k for a car to be fun. Once you've heard or ridden in the 335d under WOT, I promise you that you won't have the same opinion you do now.
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Great article.

Having just driven 1348 km around Germany and Austria after picking up the 335d at the BMW Welt, I can agree with many of the author´s sentiments.

You can read about the pick-up at the BMW Welt and the drives to Lindau, Berchtesgaden, Roßfeld, Graz, and back to Munich at The Diesel Driver.
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The thing to keep in mind when comparing the torque of the diesel to the gas engine, is that it is not apples to apples and that is because of the vast power-band of the gas engine allows more aggressive gearing. For example, the M3 has only 295 torque, but puts more torque to the rear wheel in 3rd gear than the 335d, and that's because of very aggressive gearing. So yes, the 335d has great torque, especially around town, but you have to compare cars apples to apples (factor in gearing) to see the real torque difference. And yes, I have driven the 335d.
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The thing to keep in mind when comparing the torque of the diesel to the gas engine, is that it is not apples to apples and that is because of the vast power-band of the gas engine allows more aggressive gearing. For example, the M3 has only 295 torque, but puts more torque to the rear wheel in 3rd gear than the 335d, and that's because of very aggressive gearing. So yes, the 335d has great torque, especially around town, but you have to compare cars apples to apples (factor in gearing) to see the real torque difference. And yes, I have driven the 335d.


Show me the map for the M3 torque. I disagree with your torque assessments, as the math doesn't support your conclusion. I'm open to rebuttal, however. I've asked demo to provide the chart for the M3, so we'll see if you are correct. If you are, I'll happily step down on that assessment.

However, the 'vast powerband' of the gas engine doesn't compare to the 'vast powerband' of the diesel. Just because it has a lower RPM doesn't make the powerband any less, and stock for stock, you're right, you can't compare the d to the i. There is a distinct difference in feel, favoring the d.
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Show me the map for the M3 torque. I disagree with your torque assessments, as the math doesn't support your conclusion. I'm open to rebuttal, however. I've asked demo to provide the chart for the M3, so we'll see if you are correct. If you are, I'll happily step down on that assessment.

However, the 'vast powerband' of the gas engine doesn't compare to the 'vast powerband' of the diesel. Just because it has a lower RPM doesn't make the powerband any less, and stock for stock, you're right, you can't compare the d to the i. There is a distinct difference in feel, favoring the d.
Well, using the M3's DCT we can see in third gear that 2.153 x 3.154 x 295 = 2003 torque for the e92 M3 vs 1543 torque for the diesel.

But I would argue the powerband is less in the diesl. For example, even though the peak toque of the diesel is greater than, say the 335i, it is not available over as wide a powerband. At 60mph, for example, the diesel would be in third gear (less torque) while the 335i or M3 for that matter, would still be in 2nd gear (greater torque due to gearing)
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