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      01-27-2010, 02:33 PM   #375
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It has more power yet it goes that fast?
well thats .4 sec off the BMW estimated time of 5.4 sec 0-60 on the current E92. I think we all know they are pretty conservative when it comes to these numbers. Hell with a +15hp ECU tune and CAI my 0-60 went from the BMW claimed 6.8 sec to just under 6 sec. I'm pretty sure this car will do 0-60 in under 5... lets wait and see what the big mags like R&T or C&D can do with it when they get their hands on it, I'd expect to see something like a 4.8 or so.


EDIT: sorry looks like its 5.3 from BMW for the current E92... I think the sedan was 5.4.
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22 HP is approximately equal to a 220 pound weight reduction. Rule of thumb: 10 pounds for 1 horsepower.

Therefore, the new 335is should have the straight-line performance of a 135i. Something like 0-60 in 4.8-4.9 seconds.
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well thats .4 sec off the BMW estimated time of 5.4 sec 0-60 on the current E92. I think we all know they are pretty conservative when it comes to these numbers. Hell with a +15hp ECU tune and CAI my 0-60 went from the BMW claimed 6.8 sec to just under 6 sec. I'm pretty sure this car will do 0-60 in under 5... lets wait and see what the big mags like R&T or C&D can do with it when they get their hands on it, I'd expect to see something like a 4.8 or so.


EDIT: sorry looks like its 5.3 from BMW for the current E92... I think the sedan was 5.4.
"There are a few caveats: These early-build cars do not have launch control, which will appear in production; overnight rain has left the surface a tad damp in spots, and there's a slight headwind (the level portion of the straight is not long enough to run in both directions). Nevertheless, I twice manage to flat-foot the accelerator with no "brake torquing" and get a nice hard launch with reasonable wheelspin, and manage to beat our quickest 335i coupe (a six-speed manual) handily: 4.8 seconds to 60 mph"
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"There are a few caveats: These early-build cars do not have launch control, which will appear in production; overnight rain has left the surface a tad damp in spots, and there's a slight headwind (the level portion of the straight is not long enough to run in both directions). Nevertheless, I twice manage to flat-foot the accelerator with no "brake torquing" and get a nice hard launch with reasonable wheelspin, and manage to beat our quickest 335i coupe (a six-speed manual) handily: 4.8 seconds to 60 mph"
there it is (yeah I forgot about Motor Trend... they stopped sending me their mags a few years ago and now all I get are the other 2 so they just came to mind).
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Hi Guys,

I'm in the process of ordering a 335is up here in Canada and the dealer forwarded me the BMW Product Bulletin for the 2011 3-Series and it goes over all the specifics of the 335is in detail. I've had this for like 5 days and I completely spaced on putting it up here; it would have cleared up a bunch of early speculation! My apologies.

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Hi Guys,

I'm in the process of ordering a 335is up here in Canada and the dealer forwarded me the BMW Product Bulletin for the 2011 3-Series and it goes over all the specifics of the 335is in detail. I've had this for like 5 days and I completely spaced on putting it up here; it would have cleared up a bunch of early speculation! My apologies.

I've attached it, take a look.

I don't see ANY Mineral White in the color specs.... Will you inquire to your dealer about this color?

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Let the 335is is better than the M3 posts begin. The people at BMW are the masters and they know their stuff far better than I............but call me crazy, I see no point whatsoever to this car. According to what I read earlier the BASE price for a 335is coupe is going to be about $51k. That's about $9k more than the regular 335i coupe. For an extra 20 hp and an M aerodynamic kit??? Assuming that the price for the DCT tranny and the upgrade packages are on par with the M3, ( no reason they shouldn't be ) why would you buy that car when for an extra $4k you can get an M3 sedan? Or for an extra $8k you can get an M3 coupe?

Again this is just my humble opinion, and I may be totally wrong. But if someone could explain to me why they would buy this car when it is so close in MSRP to the M3 and you'll still be about 100hp short, not to mention the difference in suspension and the differential...................I'm all ears ?????



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I don't see ANY Mineral White in the color specs.... Will you inquire to your dealer about this color?

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I discussed the colours with him, it's not available. There are only 6 colours available on the 335is: Titanium Silver, Le Mans Blue, Black Sapphire, Space Grey, Alpine White and Crimson Red.
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Let the 335is is better than the M3 posts begin. The people at BMW are the masters and they know their stuff far better than I............but call me crazy, I see no point whatsoever to this car. According to what I read earlier the BASE price for a 335is coupe is going to be about $51k. That's about $9k more than the regular 335i coupe. For an extra 20 hp and an M aerodynamic kit??? Assuming that the price for the DCT tranny and the upgrade packages are on par with the M3, ( no reason they shouldn't be ) why would you buy that car when for an extra $4k you can get an M3 sedan? Or for an extra $8k you can get an M3 coupe?

Again this is just my humble opinion, and I may be totally wrong. But if someone could explain to me why they would buy this car when it is so close in MSRP to the M3 and you'll still be about 100hp short, not to mention the difference in suspension and the differential...................I'm all ears ?????



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semi-valid argument - if you option an M3 the same as a 335is you're paying a lot more cash. This is a car for the tuner market - the guy says that in the Auto Spies interview. M3 is the definitive sports car in it's class but for someone into the aftermarket, the iS is a just a more friendly car to mod. And it really is cheaper. 8-9 grand is 8-9 grand. Some people would look at that as money to put into the N54

I personally would rather have a loaded 335is DCT over a stripper straight stick M3. Now, if they (N54) weren't stupid easy to tune, I would NOT in a million years think to get a 335is over an M3 - it's the tuning part that is the big deal with this car. Just me though. I think it's a cool niche market car. Be happy with your M3; believe it or not, it's not everyone's cup of tea for a 3 series (it's mine but only loaded to the nuts at 73K which is more than I'd like to spend right now).

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I discussed the colours with him, it's not available. There are only 6 colours available on the 335is: Titanium Silver, Le Mans Blue, Black Sapphire, Space Grey, Alpine White and Crimson Red.
crimson red is new (for performance variant pkgs) isn't it? You can't get Msport pkg with that color if I'm not mistaken.
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Anyone else find it interesting that the reviews of the 335, written vs. video, are nearly contradictory.

It seems like in the 2 videos on page 1 of this thread, the 335iS is awesome.

Only to be nearly torn down on virtually 50-75% of the four or so written reviews...
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Hi Guys,

I'm in the process of ordering a 335is up here in Canada and the dealer forwarded me the BMW Product Bulletin for the 2011 3-Series and it goes over all the specifics of the 335is in detail. I've had this for like 5 days and I completely spaced on putting it up here; it would have cleared up a bunch of early speculation! My apologies.

I've attached it, take a look.

WTF r they smokin with that 5.4s 0-60 bullsh*t??? EVERYONE KNOWS A STOCK 335i avgs 5s 0-60, its been printed in Auto Mag a gazillion times!!!!!

this is SOOOOOOOOOOOOO STUPID
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Again this is just my humble opinion, and I may be totally wrong. But if someone could explain to me why they would buy this car when it is so close in MSRP to the M3 and you'll still be about 100hp short, not to mention the difference in suspension and the differential...................I'm all ears
The reason is simple because there will be buyers. People will buy anything if it's properly marketed to them. Some of us see through the marketing BS that relates to this car, and some don't.
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semi-valid argument - if you option an M3 the same as a 335is you're paying a lot more cash. This is a car for the tuner market - the guy says that in the Auto Spies interview. M3 is the definitive sports car in it's class but for someone into the aftermarket, the iS is a just a more friendly car to mod. And it really is cheaper. 8-9 grand is 8-9 grand. Some people would look at that as money to put into the N54

I personally would rather have a loaded 335is DCT over a stripper straight stick M3. Now, if they (N54) weren't stupid easy to tune, I would NOT in a million years think to get a 335is over an M3 - it's the tuning part that is the big deal with this car. Just me though. I think it's a cool niche market car. Be happy with your M3; believe it or not, it's not everyone's cup of tea for a 3 series (it's mine but only loaded to the nuts at 73K which is more than I'd like to spend right now).

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I understand the tuner market argument, and what little I know about tuning, I've heard the 335 is much easier to tune than an M3, but how much $$$$ are you going to have to spend to make a 335i or a 335is on par with an M3???? And I'm not just talking straight line speed.........I'm talking the handling as well. I'm guessing a heck of a lot more than $7 or $8k. I know guys who have tuned their 335i and it is as fast as my M3 but doesn't handle anywhere near as well. And they've voided their warranty to boot. A freind of mine had to charge $3k to his Visa for repairs on his car because the dealer told him the mods he had made voided his warranty. Unless you are mechanically inclined and can do the work on the car yourself, your going to be spending a lot of $$$$$$.



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The reason is simple because there will be buyers. People will buy anything if it's properly marketed to them. Some of us see through the marketing BS that relates to this car, and some don't.

I'll agree with that.


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The reason is simple because there will be buyers. People will buy anything if it's properly marketed to them. Some of us see through the marketing BS that relates to this car, and some don't.
Yeah. I like my E90, actually wanted it more than the M3 for DDrivability. And its quick

But each manufacturer has their fans, and these cars are going to sell. Guaranteed.
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crimson red is new (for performance variant pkgs) isn't it? You can't get Msport pkg with that color if I'm not mistaken.
Yeah, I believe you're correct.
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You're right the 335iS is all about show, fuck the go.....right-

Increased hp / tq - Check
Additional radiator - Check
Light Weight 18s - Check
Sport tires...no runflats - Check
Front Bumper designed to maximize cooling - Check

Show more than go - HECK YES....but not really...
The 335is does have runflats.
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That's what I thought.
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The reason is simple because there will be buyers. People will buy anything if it's properly marketed to them. Some of us see through the marketing BS that relates to this car, and some don't.

It's not a matter of buying anything that's marketed to you, properly/correctly, as you mentioned.

It's more a long the lines of this car offers increased performance with factory fit/finish, a warranty, and better gas mileage than an e9x M3.

I think this car has an exclusivity factor as well. With the majority of the e90's already flooding the streets; the iS is something different, albeit slightly, but still something different.

It's kinda sad the majority of the posters are shooting the iS to shit; granted the majority of the posters have modded their 335s. I applaud BMW for having the ability to recognize the BMW "tuning scene" and present a product that has been fairly well thoughtout.

I can't comment as to why the suspension was not upgraded, nor the brakes, but would bet cash there's a solid reason as to why. The stock 335 brakes are quite powerful and for a modest hp bump, why try and mess with an already awesome brake setup? I'm also willing to bet with sport tires and lighter wheels the handling will be better off the bat, even with the same sport suspension.....

Just my 2 cents....but there's no point in pointless bashing of a car we haven't even seen the production version of.

If anything, I think all this press gives BMW a chance to adjust any pre-production "bugs" and offer a true performance package for the e9x 335 chassis-
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