2FBF Fuel pressure injector release - BMW 3-Series (E90 E92) Forum

cn555ic · 02-06-2010, 12:30 PM

Car is running fine and haven't exhibited not one cold start....Datalogs show the car is performing perfectly....I scanned the car for codes last night not expecting to see any since the car is running so great. To my surprise I definitely didn't think that I would show up with a 2FBF code because of how the car is running....I cleared the code and drove the car around but the code didn't appear again....I know this is related to a HPFP issues, but I have not exhibited one long crank or stutter, bad idling, anything....What do you guys think, is this a pending failure?? Could there be anything else that would trigger this? Maybe a firmware update?

awei130 · 02-06-2010, 03:53 PM

You should have left the code there and brought it to the dealership as they would have replaced your HPFP regardless.

cn555ic · 02-06-2010, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by awei130

You should have left the code there and brought it to the dealership as they would have replaced your HPFP regardless.

these cars are very finicky when it comes to codes and errors with the DME...I understand bringing it to the dealer if the HPFP is showing signs of failure, but read what I stated, the car is running perfect with no other codes besides that...Usually when its the fuel pump there will be other codes along with it and also rough idles and sputtering with long cranks....My car has shown none of this and runs really really strong....I cleared the one code and it hasn't come back, if it was indeed a failing pump the code will come back...Just wondering if anyone else encountered just this one code and have their fuel pump fail based on this one code

kodarren · 02-06-2010, 05:08 PM

I will just leave the codes there and let the dealersip figures it out.

DJKhan85 · 02-06-2010, 05:26 PM

I would have left the code and just driven for a few more weeks. That way if problems do show up, you know they will do something about it. Check again in a few days and see if the code comes back.

This reminds me that I should scan my car soon to see what could be lurking around the corner.

cn555ic · 02-06-2010, 05:51 PM

Guys....please....I want to know what the code means specifically? Please I already know I can take it to the dealership, I am not asking for advise!! lol

enrita · 02-06-2010, 06:02 PM

Normally this is a sign that your pump is starting to give up. Could also be the high/low pressure sensors faulty? In any case if you can (i know you are fully modded so it sucks to remove everything...) you could get the newest pump version on warranty.

scalbert · 02-06-2010, 06:31 PM

Was there a single event or multiple? If single, I would clear and see if it comes back. All too often a code can be falsely triggered for a multitude of reasons. Repeatability of an issue is when to take it into the delaer IMO.

cn555ic · 02-06-2010, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by scalbert

Was there a single event or multiple? If single, I would clear and see if it comes back. All too often a code can be falsely triggered for a multitude of reasons. Repeatability of an issue is when to take it into the delaer IMO.

Thanks...I don't have BT cable but used the Procede Reader to see the code so I don't know if its multiple....But I cleared it and will see if it comes back....Going to drive the car hard to see if it comes back

bulldog x6 · 02-06-2010, 06:57 PM

I have been getting this code ever since I got my car.... I just clear it

cn555ic · 02-06-2010, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by turkish335

I have been getting this code ever since I got my car.... I just clear it

Great....This is what I wanted to here feedback from someone that has this code but nothing else! Is your car running normal...Once you cleared it, does the code keeps coming back? So far mine hasn't come back, but then again I still haven't driven the car hard since I cleared it....Car starts up normal, not one long crank at all..Thanks

RevC · 02-06-2010, 07:06 PM

you think this is related to hpfp? i didn't recieve any of these codes before mine failed. think it could be your injectors though, the dealer said there have been tons coming in for injector issues.

cn555ic · 02-06-2010, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by RevC

you think this is related to hpfp? i didn't recieve any of these codes before mine failed. think it could be your injectors though, the dealer said there have been tons coming in for injector issues.

The car is running perfect and there seems to be nothing wrong with the car...If I would have not updated my firmware and check for codes, I would never in my wildest dreams think there would be even an issue since the car is running better than ever...I cleared the one code that I had, and will check to see if it comes back....Turkish u said you had this code since the first day you got the car and you cleared it, does it come back all the time???

Bimmer This · 02-06-2010, 08:04 PM

I always have this code in my car ever since I've had mine tuned. Car always drives perfectly and I haven't noticed any symptoms of HPFP failure as of yet. I've even taken it into the dealer and they tell don't ever do anything about it. It funny because it never throws a check engine lamp nor do I get limp modes. It runs perfectly
well with this current code set.

FLA 335 · 02-06-2010, 08:18 PM

i had worse and worse cranks and this code showed up... car just wouldnt start before 10 seconds of cranking... i called roadside service and towed car to dealer... not sure what will be replaced but seeing as how it says injector release either fuel isnt getting to injectors or injector has gone bad is the way i see it...

i agree... i wouldnt have cleared the code... it could be the begining of something happening??

shiv@vishnu · 02-06-2010, 08:21 PM

It's pretty simple. If the code keeps coming back, take it to the dealership. Better than having your hpfp suddenly die on you in the middle of the desert.

cn555ic · 02-06-2010, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Bimmer This

I always have this code in my car ever since I've had mine tuned. Car always drives perfectly and I haven't noticed any symptoms of HPFP failure as of yet. I've even taken it into the dealer and they tell don't ever do anything about it. It funny because it never throws a check engine lamp nor do I get limp modes. It runs perfectly
well with this current code set.

Hmmm thats two people that have this code and not a single problem with their cars....I did a search and it seems it is related to HPFP, but with other members on the board that had their pumps go out on them, the 2FBF code was accompanied by various other codes...Right now I am just getting this one code like you...Have you ever tried to clear the 2fbf code???

FLA 335 · 02-06-2010, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

It's pretty simple. If the code keeps coming back, take it to the dealership. Better than having your hpfp suddenly die on you in the middle of the desert.

bulldog x6 · 02-06-2010, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by cn555ic

Great....This is what I wanted to here feedback from someone that has this code but nothing else! Is your car running normal...Once you cleared it, does the code keeps coming back? So far mine hasn't come back, but then again I still haven't driven the car hard since I cleared it....Car starts up normal, not one long crank at all..Thanks

seems to be fine, Ive got the occasional limp mode from overboost on jb3 1.4 due to the cold climate here. i have probably got the code 3 times total, including today. car has long cranks but always starts up, the longer cranks are due to the cold weather I guess, but its never limped on startup. otherwise car is working as expected.

Bimmer This · 02-06-2010, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by cn555ic

Hmmm thats two people that have this code and not a single problem with their cars....I did a search and it seems it is related to HPFP, but with other members on the board that had their pumps go out on them, the 2FBF code was accompanied by various other codes...Right now I am just getting this one code like you...Have you ever tried to clear the 2fbf code???

yes, I hav cleared it. Several times. It just keeps
coming back with no peformance problems with the vehicle. The funny thing is, this code is always current. Last time I went into BMW, I told them about the code and they did bot do anything.

stevetx77 · 02-07-2010, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Bimmer This

yes, I hav cleared it. Several times. It just keeps
coming back with no peformance problems with the vehicle. The funny thing is, this code is always current. Last time I went into BMW, I told them about the code and they did bot do anything.

I have this same code. car is a 05/09 build. No problems ever until about xmas time when I started getting long cranks. Removed JB3 and problem still exist. I did not clear the code and will take it in this week to get my HPFP/injectors/whatever fixed. I have 2 instances of this code showing up but nothing in the past 500 miles. Still, it's there, and I have long cranks. Car runs fine other than that.

Nick.CBR · 02-07-2010, 01:39 AM

Same thing here. I got that exact code and when the car was in for an oil change, they scanned it and put a new pump in the car. I didn't know it even had the code (Rev 1 at the time) - I had to ask what prompted them to replace the pump. I was having ZERO issues - the car was running very strong (I was on 7-29 v3 code at the time). I would have done the same thing you did; clear it and see what happens (esp. since I have the Rev 2 box now).

The only reason they put a pump in the car was because it was already sitting there. I wouldn't have brought it in for that specific code; it never threw a light or anything... Sometimes it's a lot more of a hassle than it's worth. If it didn't throw a light, the DME obviously took note but didn't care. We have the luxury of scanning codes now so we're just that more "in the know" about our cars - nobody else would have brought their car in for this (because they wouldn't have known it was even there!!)

I'd say just let it go and keep an eye on it...

Nick

02-06-2010, 12:30 PM	#1
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02-06-2010, 05:26 PM	#5
DJKhan85 Major Drives: 2011 4dr 6mt Golf GTI Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Boston Massachusetts Posts: 1,190 iTrader: (1)	I would have left the code and just driven for a few more weeks. That way if problems do show up, you know they will do something about it. Check again in a few days and see if the code comes back. This reminds me that I should scan my car soon to see what could be lurking around the corner. __________________ 2011 VW GTI 4dr-6mt-Sunroof-Nav-Xenons OLD: 08 335i AW/CR/Poplar 6mt-ZSP-ZPP-ZCW-iPod-iDrive-PDC-Style 230s w/FK 452-Dinan LSD

02-06-2010, 06:02 PM	#7
enrita Major General Drives: 335i - Big turbos Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Italian in Sweden Posts: 6,807 iTrader: (0)	Normally this is a sign that your pump is starting to give up. Could also be the high/low pressure sensors faulty? In any case if you can (i know you are fully modded so it sucks to remove everything...) you could get the newest pump version on warranty. __________________ 07 335i AT - TD St.2 Turbos - COBB (Custom Cobb mapping by http://www.protuningfreaks.com/) - JB4G5 ISO - Okada Coils - NGK 5992 Plugs - E85 Walbro - Injen Intake - Helix IC - Snow Stg. 3 - Stett CP - AR DPs - midpipes 100 HJS Cats - Bastuck Quad - PSS10 - QUAIFE LSD - BMS OCC - Forge DVs - AR OC - ALCON BBK - M3 Chassi - Dinan CP - Velocity M rear Toe arms - Advan RZ-DF - Level 10 AT upgrade - Alpina AT Flash

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02-06-2010, 03:53 PM	#2
awei130 Banned Drives: E46, E92, 987 Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: SOCAL Posts: 2,495 iTrader: (19)	You should have left the code there and brought it to the dealership as they would have replaced your HPFP regardless.

02-06-2010, 05:08 PM	#4
kodarren Private First Class Drives: E90 328xi, 335i Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: usa(Hong Kong) Posts: 148 iTrader: (0)	I will just leave the codes there and let the dealersip figures it out.

02-06-2010, 05:51 PM	#6
cn555ic The Coding Guy Drives: FBO 335i Vert meth/nitrous Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Brooklyn, New York Posts: 17,872 iTrader: (5)	Guys....please....I want to know what the code means specifically? Please I already know I can take it to the dealership, I am not asking for advise!! lol

02-06-2010, 06:31 PM	#8
scalbert Major General Drives: '08 E90 M3, '13 Volt, '08 Ody Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Woodstock, GA Posts: 5,634 iTrader: (6)	Was there a single event or multiple? If single, I would clear and see if it comes back. All too often a code can be falsely triggered for a multitude of reasons. Repeatability of an issue is when to take it into the delaer IMO.

02-06-2010, 06:57 PM	#10
bulldog x6 Major General Drives: x6 panzer Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: probably work Posts: 5,021 iTrader: (28)	I have been getting this code ever since I got my car.... I just clear it

02-06-2010, 08:04 PM	#14
Bimmer This Major General Drives: 2007 BMW 335i Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Westminster Posts: 6,482 iTrader: (3)	I always have this code in my car ever since I've had mine tuned. Car always drives perfectly and I haven't noticed any symptoms of HPFP failure as of yet. I've even taken it into the dealer and they tell don't ever do anything about it. It funny because it never throws a check engine lamp nor do I get limp modes. It runs perfectly well with this current code set.

02-06-2010, 08:21 PM	#16
shiv@vishnu BimmerPost Supporting Vendor Drives: PROcede v5 Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: SF Bay, CA Posts: 16,687 iTrader: (0)	It's pretty simple. If the code keeps coming back, take it to the dealership. Better than having your hpfp suddenly die on you in the middle of the desert.

02-07-2010, 01:39 AM	#22
Nick.CBR Lieutenant Colonel Drives: E46 M3 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: USA Posts: 1,612 iTrader: (6)	Same thing here. I got that exact code and when the car was in for an oil change, they scanned it and put a new pump in the car. I didn't know it even had the code (Rev 1 at the time) - I had to ask what prompted them to replace the pump. I was having ZERO issues - the car was running very strong (I was on 7-29 v3 code at the time). I would have done the same thing you did; clear it and see what happens (esp. since I have the Rev 2 box now). The only reason they put a pump in the car was because it was already sitting there. I wouldn't have brought it in for that specific code; it never threw a light or anything... Sometimes it's a lot more of a hassle than it's worth. If it didn't throw a light, the DME obviously took note but didn't care. We have the luxury of scanning codes now so we're just that more "in the know" about our cars - nobody else would have brought their car in for this (because they wouldn't have known it was even there!!) I'd say just let it go and keep an eye on it... Nick

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