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      01-26-2010, 10:31 AM   #397
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Hi guys

I went to order the kit today but there is a small discrepancy in part nos. I have a e 92 coupe which was registered in June 09. The guy put the reg no and VIN into the computer and said that I need the part

65410445684
51337184197 and 51337184198 for the E92 corner mouldings

On the instructions he printed it says that this kit is for cars pre 03/09 and there is also another part currently unavailable which the other system lists as for post 03/09 which is 65412163268

So to summarise the BMW parts computer says pre 09/09 cars can have 65410445684 but the instructions and instructions software says post 03/09 cars need 65412163268, and my car was registered 06/09.

Question is which part do I need, and what is the difference?

Thanks in advance
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      02-01-2010, 08:56 AM   #398
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Got the HiFi installed by the local dealer. However I have a alternator type whine in the passenger side speakers that very annoying. Also sometime the front speakers cut out, after the car is left idle for a while they come back on. Any suggestions????
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Take it back and get them to do it properly.
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+1 sounds like the speaker/wiring is not grounded/shielded properly.
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      02-10-2010, 05:58 AM   #401
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Hi guys

I went to order the kit today but there is a small discrepancy in part nos. I have a e 92 coupe which was registered in June 09. The guy put the reg no and VIN into the computer and said that I need the part

65410445684
51337184197 and 51337184198 for the E92 corner mouldings

On the instructions he printed it says that this kit is for cars pre 03/09 and there is also another part currently unavailable which the other system lists as for post 03/09 which is 65412163268

So to summarise the BMW parts computer says pre 09/09 cars can have 65410445684 but the instructions and instructions software says post 03/09 cars need 65412163268, and my car was registered 06/09.

Question is which part do I need, and what is the difference?

Thanks in advance
Maybe the difference is the wiring? I don't know, but if you look a few pages back some people with the LCI e90 model had different coloured speaker wires and couldn't find the 'split' which was supposed to be under the door sill. Updated instructions, different wire colour codes and maybe different length wiring going to the amp would be required.

Also, it would be the build date rather than the registration date which would be important. You can find the build date under the bonnet or even by plugging your chassis number into realoem.com

If anyone has more recent instruction manual for the latest cars and colour codes please pass them on!
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      02-25-2010, 01:02 PM   #402
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Hi Guys

The build date is 05/09 and apparently the correct part is 65410445684 as it was built after 03/09. Anyway the part arrived but the guy at BMW parts is saying now that this new part needs 'coding' or some kind of software update which the have quoted me 330 quid to do! This does not include fitting which they charge 2 hours labour for. Has anyone ever heard of this? Is there a cheaper way around it? Am I better off getting a different system fitted for say 500 quid total?

He sent me this to prove it
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      02-25-2010, 01:19 PM   #403
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Sent what??


I just can't see why this would need coding??

Unless....they code the radio to output a balanced differential output over the speaker wires, which is what the hi-fi head unit does.


Either way, this now makes it a stupid price imho, the Alpine amp is worth around 100 at most, paying 250 for it because it is approved is fair enough, but 300 for the amp, 330 for coding and 2 hours at an average of say 200 is laughable.
That is nearly 900, for that money you could get into some serious hi end sounding gear whilst keeping it completely stock looking.
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      02-25-2010, 01:56 PM   #404
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Anyway the part arrived but the guy at BMW parts is saying now that this new part needs 'coding' or some kind of software update which the have quoted me 330 quid to do!
Unless the updated system is radically different from the previous one, then he is talking out of his ......

This system doesn't touch the cars control systems, and just takes an amplified speaker feed. Even the power doesn't touch the main circuits, tapping directly into the battery and having an auto power off (when it detects no signal, hence the 3 second delay on power up).

Buy the kit only and get an independent to fit (or another Stealer)
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      02-25-2010, 04:09 PM   #405
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Sorry about picture here it is. Does anyone have any experience with this different part number? If I can get the part and my fitter can fit it and it works Ill be happy with that.

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Could the coding or flashing as they call it refer to the SA662 option?
So if you have a business CD, you need an update before you can fit.
I agree with Richd. I fitted one myself to my March build LCI (i have professional radio) and all was the same as the original instructions apart from the splice points. In no way do you touch the cars circuits. I work in IT and have never touched a car before. It wasn't that difficult.
If I was you, i'd have a go at it. Worst case scenario is you reverse what you have done and get a professional to do it?
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      02-26-2010, 04:33 AM   #407
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Could the coding or flashing as they call it refer to the SA662 option?
So if you have a business CD, you need an update before you can fit.
Isn't the only change with the Business CD the way you wire in the passive crossover? Oh, and the switch on the amp? Either way, it doesn't take any more time than any of the other source options.

Looks to me like BMW may have twigged this is a popular upgrade (hence the price increase) and are now allowing dealers to make more margin out of fitting it.

Has anyone got an electronic copy of the new fitting instructions? Did the OP get the whole pdf from the dealer or just that snippet?
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      02-26-2010, 08:05 AM   #408
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I'm part way doing the Alpine upgrade, I've found the splices there's on the drivers side there's 3 blue/black & blue brown wires, how do i know which connect to the sub chanel on the amp and the head unit chanel on the amp and the mid range chanel on the amp.
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      02-26-2010, 08:34 AM   #409
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They just sent that bit sadly. The whole manual would be useful though.. any ideas if anyone has got that part no. to fit without the coding ill go for it.

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Ok, I've worked out the wiring fully installed however there is no sound coming from the front what so ever, amp is powered up, any ideas
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You definitely got the wiring correct for ins and outs??
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      02-26-2010, 10:43 AM   #412
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I thought so, thin wire is the mids, traced the thick to the subs so the only one left must be for the head unit.
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And what is the date your car was built and what part number for the Alpine kit??
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      02-26-2010, 11:36 AM   #414
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It was registered 31/12/2005, part number is 65 41 0 445 684
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Hmm, right parts.

You sure you have spliced the correct wires??

Have you got a power light on the amp??
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Yep got power light on the amp, as for the wires,

Thin ones I asumed where the mids
Thick set i traced back to the sub
remaing ones cold only be for the head unit ?

Theres no sound from either of the front speakers, ever if i got one side wrong then the other would work wouldn't it ?
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Yep got power light on the amp, as for the wires,

Thin ones I asumed where the mids
Thick set i traced back to the sub
remaing ones cold only be for the head unit ?

Theres no sound from either of the front speakers, ever if i got one side wrong then the other would work wouldn't it ?
If I remember from my install, each splice has one thick wire and two thin wires. Perhaps you have the thin wires the wrong way round. I.e. you have the input feeds to the amp from the mids and the output from the amp heading to the head unit?

Would explain why no sound at all.
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If I remember from my install, each splice has one thick wire and two thin wires. Perhaps you have the thin wires the wrong way round. I.e. you have the input feeds to the amp from the mids and the output from the amp heading to the head unit?

Would explain why no sound at all.
I'll have another look at the wires tomorrow, however you say each spice hase 1 thick and 2 thin wires, mines the other way round, 1 thin & 2 thick.
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