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      05-13-2010, 06:35 AM   #1211
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My service manager just sent me this PDF - and if I am reading it right, it confirms what he says about the Apple supplied Dock to USB and cover art under the apple ipod selection in blue.

"The use of the genuine Apple iPod USB cable is supported only in the 3-Series Coupé, 3-Series Con- vertible and 7-Series models manufactured 03/2010 or later. Display of CoverArts is supported when the genuine Apple iPod USB cable is used.*♦"

Again, it seems we've all heard promises from BMW, so I am not sure - but using the apple USB connector and having cover art sure would be a nice improvement...
The Cover Art variable has been present in the CIC firmware since 09/09 (MY2009) introduction; it seems that it is 03/10 (MY2010) that BMW is actually implementing it:

CDMM_USB_COVER_ART

And another upcoming feature is also dormant in the CIC and TCU:

CDMM_BLUETOOTH_AUDIO
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      05-13-2010, 06:46 AM   #1212
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The Cover Art variable has been present in the CIC firmware since 09/09 (MY2009) introduction; it seems that it is 03/10 (MY2010) that BMW is actually implementing it:

CDMM_USB_COVER_ART

And another upcoming feature is also dormant in the CIC and TCU:

CDMM_BLUETOOTH_AUDIO
The bluetooth audio is present in my new E92. I tried it with the iPhone 3GS. Implementation is pretty basic...
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So if cover art and BT audio are present in the firmware, how would it be possible for someone with an '09 iDrive to activate this feature. Can this be done at an autologic shop or is there a "new" ISTA/P firmware we need to look for?


Also Andre - since you have confirmed using the Apple dock connector to USB cable - can you comment if you still need a wire from you ipod to the Aux in jack, or is all audio now moving through the USB?
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So if cover art and BT audio are present in the firmware, how would it be possible for someone with an '09 iDrive to activate this feature. Can this be done at an autologic shop or is there a "new" ISTA/P firmware we need to look for?
Autologic or NCS Expert (if you find it somewhere).
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So if cover art and BT audio are present in the firmware, how would it be possible for someone with an '09 iDrive to activate this feature. Can this be done at an autologic shop or is there a "new" ISTA/P firmware we need to look for?


Also Andre - since you have confirmed using the Apple dock connector to USB cable - can you comment if you still need a wire from you ipod to the Aux in jack, or is all audio now moving through the USB?
All audio is through USB. So no other cables are needed.
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All audio is through USB. So no other cables are needed.
Could you post a photo of the Album Art screen, please?
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Could you post a photo of the Album Art screen, please?
Sure! No problem.
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Sure! No problem.
Thanks...

So the split screen has to be enabled to see the Album Art or it also displays in the full screen?
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All audio is through USB. So no other cables are needed.
And for those of us without iDrive, can we implement iPod audio solely via the USB port?
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I wonder if this will work on non 6FL option cars through the glovebox USB port? It seems by looking at the docs and install PDF from the 6FL Retro fit thread, that the USB in the armrest is shared with the glovebox port via a USB hub, so in theory this could be programmed without the 6FL option.

I would be willing to use my car's setup as the test rig, if anyone wants to assist with the steps of the german translation on the NCS Expert...
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And for those of us without iDrive, can we implement iPod audio solely via the USB port?
The 6FL USB adapter does not require iDrive to process audio, it has always processed iPod audio since introduction. The issue with the iPod cable and the 6FL has been playing DRM songs (it can't on purpose) and its non-standard tags used for songs in the HDD (they don't display the actual song name, only codes like F0D).

Otherwise, you can play the iPod thru the 6FL using the Apple cable. It sound better than using the OEM cable thru the AUX as well...
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I wonder if this will work on non 6FL option cars through the glovebox USB port? It seems by looking at the docs and install PDF from the 6FL Retro fit thread, that the USB in the armrest is shared with the glovebox port via a USB hub, so in theory this could be programmed without the 6FL option.

I would be willing to use my car's setup as the test rig, if anyone wants to assist with the steps of the german translation on the NCS Expert...
That's incorrect.

The glovebox USB is a input/output data port to the iDrive HDD without any player capabilities. It connects directly to the CIC and to no other module in the car.

The USB hub is shared with the 6NF if equipped.
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I tried hooking up my Ipod and my 6fl wanted to browse it like a HD... I have late model '10. Guess I need to get a software update to enable this functionality?

Or... could you put album art in a directory and then have it displayed in Idrive that way? Someone w/ the working Ipod feature should try this with a USB HD to see if it works!
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Just purchased an '07 328i w/ Nav, Bluetooth, Premium Pkg. It has the AUX jack, but not USB (I'm assuming this means that I do NOT have 6FL). I'm currently using the BMW y-adapter cable, in combo with a cig-lighter plug-in adapter that I can plug the USB part of the y-cable in for charging. This current setup let's me charge my iPhone, and play audio via the AUX audio source, BUT, I do not have the ability to change songs easily, only via the device itself. The cig-lighter adpater is kinda tall too, so when playing my iPhone I have to keep the arm rest up -- annoying!

So, my question is this, what is the best route to go to get fully integrated audio from my iPhone to the nav system, allowing for control of the iPhone from the steering wheel buttons, and keeping the ability to charge the device?

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I'll continue reading through the large number of pages, but if anyone is/was in a similar situation, and can shed some light, I'd be greatly appreciative. Thanks!
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Just purchased an '07 328i w/ Nav, Bluetooth, Premium Pkg. It has the AUX jack, but not USB (I'm assuming this means that I do NOT have 6FL). I'm currently using the BMW y-adapter cable, in combo with a cig-lighter plug-in adapter that I can plug the USB part of the y-cable in for charging. This current setup let's me charge my iPhone, and play audio via the AUX audio source, BUT, I do not have the ability to change songs easily, only via the device itself. The cig-lighter adpater is kinda tall too, so when playing my iPhone I have to keep the arm rest up -- annoying!

So, my question is this, what is the best route to go to get fully integrated audio from my iPhone to the nav system, allowing for control of the iPhone from the steering wheel buttons, and keeping the ability to charge the device?

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I'll continue reading through the large number of pages, but if anyone is/was in a similar situation, and can shed some light, I'd be greatly appreciative. Thanks!
You have three options...

- OEM iPod adapter: dealer installed
- OEM USB/iPod adapter: not available in the USA but can be ordered in Europe
- mObridge iPod adapter: http://www.europeanautosource.com/pr...oducts_id=1651
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You have three options...

- OEM iPod adapter: dealer installed
- OEM USB/iPod adapter: not available in the USA but can be ordered in Europe
- mObridge iPod adapter: http://www.europeanautosource.com/pr...oducts_id=1651
Thanks Technic. I'll do some additional research to see what costs are for each option, and what the benefits/take aways are as well.
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Thanks...

So the split screen has to be enabled to see the Album Art or it also displays in the full screen?
The album art is also visible in the full screen view.

One other advantage of the new set-up with the USB-to-dock cable: no error message at start-up about it not being a genuine Apple accessory
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I have an 08' w/Nav but for some reason I can only search through my huge list of songs with no way to search via artists. My car originally didn't come with the IPOD adapter but as a part of the deal to buy the car the dealer agreed to install it. Unfortunately I bought it before testing and promptly installed a DCI and Vishnu piggyback. Now I think I have to take the car back to the dealer in order to get it fixed. Does anyone here know a way to fix it on my own? It would be great to not have to uninstall the mods!!

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You have three options...

- OEM iPod adapter: dealer installed
- OEM USB/iPod adapter: not available in the USA but can be ordered in Europe
- mObridge iPod adapter: http://www.europeanautosource.com/pr...oducts_id=1651
Is this true for the 3G iphone as well? Any pros cons, cost estimates for the varying options? Theres SO MUCH conflicting info on this.

I'm pretty much in the same boat. No USB, No eject, but, iDrive and premium pkg
I've read where some have done a 6FL retro with junkyard parts. That seems like the BEST option

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The 6FL USB adapter does not require iDrive to process audio, it has always processed iPod audio since introduction. The issue with the iPod cable and the 6FL has been playing DRM songs (it can't on purpose) and its non-standard tags used for songs in the HDD (they don't display the actual song name, only codes like F0D).

Otherwise, you can play the iPod thru the 6FL using the Apple cable. It sound better than using the OEM cable thru the AUX as well...
This does not appear to work with the iPod Touch, since the Touch does not support the USB disk mode. Is there a firmware update to allow 2010 versions of the 6FL to use the Apple USB cable as indicated for the 2011 model (per earlier post).
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This does not appear to work with the iPod Touch, since the Touch does not support the USB disk mode.
That does not sound right... the iPod Touch should be able to play thru the USB alone as well as the iPhone as both are fundamentally the same hardware but no cell phone.

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The OEM document is very specific:

Applicable only to 3-Series Coupé / 3-Series Convertible (with option code 606 or 609) and 7-Series, 03/2010 and later for the European market.

What could happen is that a software update after 03/10 for all CIC will have those features present but disabled. As stated before, my MY2009 has a Bluetooth Audio selection in its list of variables, and when enabled it actually shows up in the screen but it does nothing when selected. That tells me that at least my CIC software (I don't know which version it is but it looks like it was the bugfix of 03/09) has the "handles" for Bluetooth Audio, although the actual functional feature showed up a year later.
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That does not sound right... the iPod Touch should be able to play thru the USB alone as well as the iPhone as both are fundamentally the same hardware but no cell phone.
I thought that as well, however I was unsuccessful at getting the iPod to be recognized. The Apple support site states clearly that the USB disk mode is not supported by the iPod Touch. It is the only iPod to my knowledge that does not support this mode.

Thanks for your comments concerning the CIC and the 2011 release. Let's hope that BMW releases this update for earlier 3ers.
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