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      05-13-2010, 01:42 PM   #89
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You are quite misinformed. Dinan was averaging 200 flashes a month in mid 2008. It's now mid 2010. Do the math. As far as the problems go, the simple answer is that Shiv and Terry are basically using their customer base as beta testers, and, they're starting from an inherent disadvantage from a system design perspective. Half the job of their piggybacks is to keep an ECU - that gets firmware updates from BMW on a regular basis - from throwing codes or going into limp mode.



Yeah, that was funny 10 years ago.
and its still hilarious today, dont hate on Tommy Boy just because you want defend your Dinan purchase

its actually a funny reference for this discussion, which is why I brought it up.
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      05-13-2010, 01:46 PM   #90
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IMO, this is all BS. Dinan doesn't run boost above 14psi. Set the Procede and JB3 to not boost over 14psi and call it a day. Most problem that occur are users experimenting at those higher boost level without the supporting modes or right fuel octane. GIAC even sets you up a different flash map for a higher octane level.

On the warranty side, why would anyone offer warranty other than their product. I won't sell you a keyboard and tell you if anything happens with your computer I will replace that too. I agree with the above post on the Tommy Boy movie reference. Most customers who are buying a Dinan tune, are comfortable with the warranty they offer and not the tune, as there are other cheaper alternatives. On the about of flashes a company does is irrelevant of what tune is better. All that number shows is how many customers are more comfortable with a warranty
exactly, get Dinan to offer a 17psi tune on meth and warranty that....and THEN they will have the true enthusiasts flocking to them for their warranty.

14psi has been proven for years as a very very safe tune level. I understand why Steve would stop at that level, he doesnt want to pay back any $$ just like an insurance company wants to keep their $$.

In my eyes Dinan is actually pretty handcuffed by their warranty. They cant push the envolope at all due to their business model.
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      05-14-2010, 12:52 AM   #91
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I'll write a real review after playing with it for the weekend, but so far I'm really impressed. I thought my car was fast before, but now it's stupid fast. I'll dyno it next week to compare to my baseline numbers on the Mustang Dyno yesterday (252 torque / 245 whp), but I can't imagine that I didn't gain 70-80 whp given the way it feels...it's like a completely different car.
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      05-14-2010, 03:14 AM   #92
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lol well make sure you enjoy it while it lasts. Once you get hitched car spending gets thrown out the window.
Depends on the type of woman you get hitched with. I certainly don't have this problem with my wife...
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my car was fast before, but now it's stupid fast.
Just adding, some other differences besides WOT gains. With Stage 2, my car idles a few hundred RPMs lower and considerably steadier than stock; and it drives much more smoothly than stock at near idle speeds under 10 mph.

Ordinary driving is also smoother than stock, partly because of a kind of progressive throttle effect (it gets more and more sensitive the harder you press), but also because it really is smoother - it just feels like a better engine.

On the downside, despite the famous water pump speeds, my oil temps are running consistently 10 degrees warmer than stock.

I haven't noticed any difference in MPG, but it's hard to tell when I'm racing around like a kid with his new toy.

Meanwhile, my CAI should arrive in another week or two.
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exactly, get Dinan to offer a 17psi tune on meth and warranty that....and THEN they will have the true enthusiasts flocking to them for their warranty.

14psi has been proven for years as a very very safe tune level. I understand why Steve would stop at that level, he doesnt want to pay back any $$ just like an insurance company wants to keep their $$.

In my eyes Dinan is actually pretty handcuffed by their warranty. They cant push the envolope at all due to their business model.
All depends on how extreme you want to be, and Dinan's tune limitations are fine with me. You and all the other Dinan knockers on here just don't seem to get that. Your opinion is that if you don't get the most extreme tune for your dollar, there's something wrong with you. I, on the other hand, think that if you want to push the envelope and hide from the dealer/BMWNA, that's your business. I'm not out to have the fastest car on the road, but that seems to be all you guys can think about. You obviously didn't comprehend what I was saying - I like performance, I just don't like going to extremes. Being an engineer myself, I like what Steve Dinan comes up with and dont mind paying more for it because his model suits my purposes. The other tuners are obviously very talented and their products cost less and are enjoyed by many, but aren't my cup of tea, and probably not the OP''s either.

We straight now?
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All depends on how extreme you want to be, and Dinan's tune limitations are fine with me. You and all the other Dinan knockers on here just don't seem to get that. Your opinion is that if you don't get the most extreme tune for your dollar, there's something wrong with you. I, on the other hand, think that if you want to push the envelope and hide from the dealer/BMWNA, that's your business. I'm not out to have the fastest car on the road, but that seems to be all you guys can think about. You obviously didn't comprehend what I was saying - I like performance, I just don't like going to extremes. Being an engineer myself, I like what Steve Dinan comes up with and dont mind paying more for it because his model suits my purposes. The other tuners are obviously very talented and their products cost less and are enjoyed by many, but aren't my cup of tea, and probably not the OP''s either.

We straight now?

Couldn't have said it better. I don't need the extra power. What I have on this car with the S2 flash is very enjoyable to me in day to day driving, and the comfort of not having to hide anything from the dealer/BMW is a big plus. My previous car laid about 500whp to the ground, if all I was concerned about was hp I never would have sold that car
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Question for Dinan users. I have a CPO 335. If I were to get a Dinan tune and they do not match the CPO warranty. What would happen if I were to have a problem with a turbo, etc. I'm assuming BMW would blame the Dinan tune no matter what and I would be SOL. Correct?
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That would be my guess. BMW would say it was the tune and you will be SOL.
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      05-14-2010, 03:33 PM   #98
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Yea, it's a sticky situation when it comes to mods and warranty as this has been discussed in depth since the birth of the N54. I think the best advice I've seen on this forum was, if you have any doubts or concerns about your warranty... just don't mod and wait. (Yes, this could be a difficult task seeing as how you're on a forum with a bunch of car crazy enthusiasts.)
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That would be my guess. BMW would say it was the tune and you will be SOL.
Yeah. I agree.
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