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      05-28-2010, 08:13 PM   #23
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I don't see the link. Could you post it again or PM it to me?

Thanks.
Sorry my bad, http://www.redlineoil.com/news_article.aspx?id=13
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      05-28-2010, 08:33 PM   #24
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Hmm that's pretty interesting. Do you guys know if it's the same for Canada. I tried calling BMW Canada and they are as useless as it comes. They had no idea what I was talking about and only could recommend the standard dealer fill. I know that the regs for sulfur content are alot stricter in Canada. I dunno it just feels like a "lesser of both evils" BMWna has come out with to run ll01 oil out here when their motors are designed for ll04. I want to run the best in my car. I know the m54 motors had problems with sludge running dealer fill and hopefully this isn't the case here


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It is the nature of low SAPS oils to have a lower TBN than has been historically the norm with high grade oils. This is not a problem in Europe, but it does become a problem with the lower quality of fuel that we have in the United States. As I understand it Sulfur is the specific issue.
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      05-29-2010, 05:46 AM   #25
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Just go to Jiffy-Lube every 3,000 miles and you'll be okay.
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Sludge isn't caused so much by the brand/type of oil as it is by the super extended change intervals that BMW calls for.
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^I agree. If you don't use the approved oil you will be taking a gamble on 15k oil changes.
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The Autozones in my area have dropped the price on Mobil One 0-40 to 3.99 a quart. Same for the 5-30 turbo diesel. I bought the 14 quarts they had on the shelf. The counter guy said they might be clearing it out because it isn't a big seller.
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The Autozones in my area have dropped the price on Mobil One 0-40 to 3.99 a quart. Same for the 5-30 turbo diesel. I bought the 14 quarts they had on the shelf. The counter guy said they might be clearing it out because it isn't a big seller.
good deal....i thought $4.99/quart sale last month at Kragen/O'Reilly was a steal!
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I wonder if that Autozone deal is valid here in California, if yes I am there stocking up.
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I wonder if that Autozone deal is valid here in California, if yes I am there stocking up.
I checked my local store in San Diego. Had it for $7.49.
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It is the nature of low SAPS oils to have a lower TBN than has been historically the norm with high grade oils. This is not a problem in Europe, but it does become a problem with the lower quality of fuel that we have in the United States. As I understand it Sulfur is the specific issue.
Where did you get your info regarding TBN? The starting TBN for BMW LL04 Total Ineo MC3 5W30 is 7.4. Anything between 7, and 9 is just fine for initial TBN, which most low SAP oils satisfy. The issue is how much TBN is left after say 7,500 miles in a punishing engine like the N54, no matter if it is low SAP or not.

BMW is the only company using the lower gas quality arguement. All other european car manufactuers with diesel/petrol (gasoline) engines, have not made any statements here in the US. The issue is the availability of Castrol/mobil LL04 oils in the market, and currently there are non available in the US, so BMW released the statement, to help its buddies.
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The Autozones in my area have dropped the price on Mobil One 0-40 to 3.99 a quart. Same for the 5-30 turbo diesel. I bought the 14 quarts they had on the shelf. The counter guy said they might be clearing it out because it isn't a big seller.
A good friend of mine once told me that any oil below $10 per quart/liter, is most likely not a true synthetic. If somethings cheap, its cheap for a reason. Buyer beware.
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^ lol I don't think Mobil will sell non-synthetic oil and label it synthetic. They would be sued in a heartbeat. Now other unknown/not nationally recognized brands, maybe.
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The Autozones in my area have dropped the price on Mobil One 0-40 to 3.99 a quart. Same for the 5-30 turbo diesel. I bought the 14 quarts they had on the shelf. The counter guy said they might be clearing it out because it isn't a big seller.
It isn't a big seller because it is not conventional oil, therefore longer oil change intervals.
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^ lol I don't think Mobil will sell non-synthetic oil and label it synthetic. They would be sued in a heartbeat. Now other unknown/not nationally recognized brands, maybe.
http://www.syntheticsbestoil.com/mobil.htm
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Interesting.

Amsoil looks great. If they haven't done so already, they should buy/label their oil with the LL-01 approval sticker. Also they stated, "Mobil 1 at least uses straight forward declarative sentences. Most of the others read as though they were written by a lawyer looking for an escape clause." They never really said that Mobil 0-40 is not fully synthetic.
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