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      06-24-2010, 10:24 AM   #1
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Thumbs up BMW N54, S65, N47, and Prince motors win 2010 Engine of the Year Awards

Congrats to BMW! The 2010 International Engine of the Year Awards were announced yesterday and as always, BMW has won several categories. The N54, S65, N47, and Prince motors each won their respective categories!

Read about each winning engine:

- N54 motor (3.0L DI twin turbo)
- S65 motor (V8 M3 engine)
- BMW-PSA 1.6L Prince turbo
- N47 2.0L twin turbo diesel



Here are the categories and their winners:
http://www.ukipme.com/engineoftheyear/categories.html


Judged by a panel of 65 renowned automotive journalists from 32 countries and attended by key management figures and decision makers from the world’s leading automotive manufacturers, the 'Engine Oscars' have become a highly respected and widely acknowledged event within the industry since their start in 1999.
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Jason Cammisa, West Coast editor of Automobile Magazine in the USA, was similarly impressed: “With refinement that no V6 engine can match, BMW’s holdout in-line six is still the gold standard for power delivery and response – not to mention efficiency

1. BMW 3-litre DI Twin Turbo (135i, 335i, 535i, X5 35i, X6 35i, Z4) 332 points
wow. Very interesting. That is why I love BMW. Hurray for Diesel
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1. BMW 3-litre DI Twin Turbo (135i, 335i, 535i, X5 35i, X6 35i, Z4) 332 points
wow. Very interesting. That is why I love BMW. Hurray for Diesel
That particular engine, the N54, is a petrol engine though.
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N47 ftw. Wish we could get them over here in the states
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The 135i engine wins engine of the year???? The HPFP brakes down all the time... WTF..
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The N54 has won similar awards many times....

Interesting, considering the known fuel pump issues, I have to agree....
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Interesting, I thought the N54 engine was an aluminum block and was not the magnesium alloy used in the N52???
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No wins for x5/x6 m engine?!! hmmmm!!
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The 135i engine wins engine of the year???? The HPFP brakes down all the time... WTF..
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The N54 has won similar awards many times....

Interesting, considering the known fuel pump issues, I have to agree....
Mine has not broken down and that is with being tuned, multiple trips to the drag strip and road course 35k miles.....running like a champ! Engine of the Year!
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...BMW doesn't manufacture the HP fuel pumps. Siemens does. Besides, that would be an engine support device/electronics. It has nothing to do with the mechanical design of the engine. Nor to its reliability. The pumps are failing... not the engines.
Big difference. We can Make a reference to that, only when people start throwing rods through the sleeved blocks of their N54's!!! Or eating pistons, etc, etc...
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How could you argue that the N54 engine should not win? The HPFP failure is not a catastrophic.
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The N54 engine, and every engine that BMW manufactures, is on a level of engineering achievement that is highly, HIGHLY, underrated! The S85 V10 was and is an engine that is on par (if not above) the likes of Ferrari's Best, Lamborghini's Best, and most definitely Porsche's Best.
The S70/2 that was used in the Mclaren F1 is 18 year old detuned F1 technology.
Think about that next time you look under the hood at a 4 yr old S85 in an M6 or an M5. That's 6 yr old detuned F1 technology.
As far as the S65 goes.... it is only similar to the S85's basic design. I can assure you, that its design is superior in every way. Regardless of its lower output.
(Porsche flat 6... hah!)
These engines are able to run at what BMW specs them out at... ALL DAY LONG! Reliably! They have been built to withstand a certain (ridiculous) amount of abuse, and then they turned the dial back, and put them in street cars! lol!!!
Now... I am in no way saying Porsche sucks. But don't put them on such a high pedestal. Their saving grace, is that they have always built a single focused machine. Not an entire group of well rounded individuals. This is what we have all been asking for BMW to build... a single focused machine. No watering it down!
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Sorry, but the GT3 motor is far superior to any motor BMW makes, hands down.
uhh, why? It has no low end power and needs to be thrashed to be rewarding. Have you ever driven or been in a GT3 while it was just cruising around? I definitely prefer the N54 (and N55) balance of being pleasurable to thrash AND to drive each and every day.

Not to mention that all non-V8 Porsche engines sound disgusting until you punch it, if you ask me.
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adrean8j... Tell that to the thousands of people that woke up one morning and their BMW didn't start.... Ur just lucky... To me Engine of the year means that there are no problems with it...
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Interesting, I thought the N54 engine was an aluminum block and was not the magnesium alloy used in the N52???
In the N52, the pistons move in magnesium alloy cylinder bore just like in the 70s General Motors Vega of ill fame; the N54 engine uses cast iron cylinder liners.
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adrean8j... Tell that to the thousands of people that woke up one morning and their BMW didn't start.... Ur just lucky... To me Engine of the year means that there are no problems with it...
THOUSANDS??? LOL......Where is the HPFP located BTW?
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Dude.. engine of the year come on... If u want to know where the HPFP is google it... There are tons of pics online... The engine has problems... I love the car its just bothers me that the cars has people constantly complaining about it... But it wins engine of the year...
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...BMW doesn't manufacture the HP fuel pumps. Siemens does. Besides, that would be an engine support device/electronics. It has nothing to do with the mechanical design of the engine. Nor to its reliability. The pumps are failing... not the engines.
Big difference. We can Make a reference to that, only when people start throwing rods through the sleeved blocks of their N54's!!! Or eating pistons, etc, etc...
Siemens made the pumps in the early days of the N54 engine. Subsequently, Siemens sold their VDO division to Continental and BMW used in the N54 pumps made by Bosch; currently, BMW uses the pump made by Continental. All three companies involved in manufacturing the pump know as much about making fuel pumps as BMW knows about making cars. The cars that fail due to fuel delivery usually experience problems with the pump, fuel injectors, etc., which seems to indicate that the problem is not limited to the pump, but rather it is due to the integration of the fuel delivery system. It appears that the components of the fuel system incur cumulative damage that in many cases culminates in the failure of the high pressure pump. There is no doubt that the N54 is an engine deserving praise for the originality of design and the performance it delivers. Reliability is different matter - it is more difficult to evaluate and less glamorous to write about.
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Siemens made the pumps in the early days of the N54 engine. Subsequently, Siemens sold their VDO division to Continental and BMW used in the N54 pumps made by Bosch; currently, BMW uses the pump made by Continental. All three companies involved in manufacturing the pump know as much about making fuel pumps as BMW knows about making cars. The cars that fail due to fuel delivery usually experience problems with the pump, fuel injectors, etc., which seems to indicate that the problem is not limited to the pump, but rather it is due to the integration of the fuel delivery system. It appears that the components of the fuel system incur cumulative damage that in many cases culminates in the failure of the high pressure pump. There is no doubt that the N54 is an engine deserving praise for the originality of design and the performance it delivers. Reliability is different matter - it is more difficult to evaluate and less glamorous to write about.
...Yes, for the most part, Thank you!!
No the pump isn't the only issue, there are others, but its usually the first to go. Fuel quality makes a big difference. The Bosche HDP in the Diesel has no issues..... But that's a totally different animal (environment), with diesel!
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adrean8j... Tell that to the thousands of people that woke up one morning and their BMW didn't start.... Ur just lucky... To me Engine of the year means that there are no problems with it...
I am just lucky? The question is,"Does the number of engines WITHOUT the problem number drastically greater than the number with the problem (greater than 85-90%). Is there ANY empirical data for that? I do not deny that the problem exists and I think it sucks for whoever it happens to. There was recently a poll on 1addicts of people who had or did not have the problem and the results were surprising in how many did NOT have the HPFP problem. So for me (without the problem) then engine is top notch. Like I said before drag, track, autoX, everyday driving it has been like a champ.

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Dude.. engine of the year come on... If u want to know where the HPFP is google it... There are tons of pics online... The engine has problems... I love the car its just bothers me that the cars has people constantly complaining about it... But it wins engine of the year...
I know where it is at "dude"(kinda something I would need to know given my mod list and probable lack of warranty...just sayin')....the reason I said it is that we have to consider if the people giving the award consider it as part of the engine or extraneous to the engine.
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LOL! Are you kidding me?? First of all, I have driven every US variation of the GT3 except for the 997.2 GT3 RS in nearly every situation and I can tell you if you think the n54 has more tq you know nothing about engines. Have you ever heard of tq multiplication and/or tq to the wheels? I suggest you read up and do the calculations and then speak. Here's a hint, take engine tq, multiply it by the gear ratio and then the final drive ratio. The GT3, for an NA engine has a lot of low end punch. Its quite obvious YOU have never driven one. It doesnt need to be thrashed like the s65 to be rewarding, and has a top end that the s65 cant touch let alone the lackluster top end of the n54 that run out of steam after 5500 rpms. It will only continuously pull harder the higher you rev to 8400 rpms.
And as far as sound goes, the GT3 is the best sounding car this side of a Ferrari v8 and the other flat 6s also crush most other cars as far as sound.
Heres some info for you

GT3 50-70 MPH = 1.9 seconds
N54 (335i) 50-70 = 4.1 seconds (or 2.1 seconds slower than the GT3) what happened to all that tq?

Heres a tq example for you: both 6mt's and wheel tq produced in 3rd gear

GT3: Wheel tq at 3000 rpms
295 X 1.64 X 3.44 = 1664.X

335i: Wheel tq at 3000 rpms (where its making ALL of its engine tq, right?)
300 X 1.58 X 3.08 = 1459.X

So despite taking wheel tq at an rpm where you would THINK the n54 is pulling hard, the GT3 STILL puts down 205 wheel tq more and pulls MUCH harder. And that difference would be much greater using the GT3 RS instead.
You must be joking right?

Are you aware that there´s a significant weight difference between a 335i and a GT3?

BMW makes the best engines in the world and they have proven it every year in the Engine of the year awards. Porsche makes really great engines but overall BMW just destroys everybody when it comes to engines.
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