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      03-22-2007, 01:58 PM   #1
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PROGMAN (CIP) v25.xx BMWNA SIB

Complete SIB in attached pdf file.

SI B 61 03 05
General Electrical Systems March 2007
Technical Service

This Service Information bulletin supersedes S.I. B61 03 05 dated December 2006.

designates changes to this revision

SUBJECT
Software Errors Corrected with Progman


MODEL
E90, E91, E92 E93 (3 Series)

Vehicles produced up to February 28, 2007


SITUATION
Customer may complain of the following:

The following software errors were corrected with the release of Progman 25.00.00 (Target data Status E89x-07-03-515).

If there is an incoming telephone call while SVS (Voice Input System) is active it is not possible to accept or reject the call.

A loud humming noise can be heard from the auxiliary fan when the vehicle is idling.

The automatic transmission enters "Failsafe" mode during a 5-4 downshift. EGS fault "AF8D – ratio monitoring 5-4 gearshift plausibility" is stored.

CCC: The programmable diamond MFL button does not work when set to "Next entertainment source" when vehicle is in motion.

CCC: The customer occasionally has poor radio reception after the vehicle was programmed with Progman V23.x or V24.x.

The speedometer and tachometer needles shake when the vehicle is idling.

CCC: Slow response to inputs made when using controller after startup.

CCC: A high frequency whistling noise intermittently can been heard in radio mode

CCC: Navigation system pop-up arrow display missing. Refer to SI B84 61 06.

CCC: CD/CDC track advances after key cycled. Refer to SI B65 32 05.

SDARS (Satellite radio) receiver fault "A537 – Sat aerial short circuit" is stored.

PROCEDURE
For all vehicles, on a customer complaint basis only, refer to the following procedure and warranty information.

Update the complete vehicle per SI B09 05 01 (Coding, Individualization, Programming) Procedure B, using Progman 25.00.00 ( Target Data Status E89x-07-03-515) or higher.

WARRANTY INFORMATION
Covered under the terms of the BMW New Vehicle Limited Warranty.

Defect Code
Refer to KSD


Labor Operation:
Refer to KSD


Labor Allowance:
Refer to KSD
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Thanks.. It helps.
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Ok, out of curiosity. If my car is being delivered at the end of this month, do I request that this version is in my car or will it automatically be upgraded by the dealer during PDI?
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^ check with your dealership, usually they're more willing to update it for you (if it doesn't have the updated version already from the factory) when you're just picking up the car vs later on

However, later on, you can complain about any of the above 'reasons' and voila, a new update
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So, if I go and complain about the above items, the stealer should be able to update to progman 25 (I have 24) under warranty? are there any items above that would cause an error message that is detectable to contradict what I say?
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Just made an appointment with my dealer and they are going to upgrade my car next week on the 28th. I had the radio issues, the missing arrow, and another issue which this should address hopefully!
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GREAT! this is just another bug we can use to get them to install V25. to those that haven't read about this on the other posts - V25 supposedly has several improvements, added functionality (POI by name), faster, and resolves a few bugs.

another bug is the pop up arrow display feature when Nav is enabled and arrow display is not selected.

I talked to my local dealer earlier this week, quoted the arrow pop-up bug, and they said they would load the new SW for me....but they won't have it until next week.
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A loud humming noise can be heard from the auxiliary fan when the vehicle is idling.

SDARS (Satellite radio) receiver fault "A537 – Sat aerial short circuit" is stored.
I'm hoping that this fixes the "loud humming noise" that I've heard in my car, and the satellite fault fixes the problem where it sometimes thinks that I haven't subscribed.

Thanks for the info!
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I'm hoping that this fixes the "loud humming noise" that I've heard in my car, and the satellite fault fixes the problem where it sometimes thinks that I haven't subscribed.

Thanks for the info!
I have that exact same radio problem! Let me know what you find out.
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"CCC: Slow response to inputs made when using controller after startup."

Doesn't this mean that pretty much any of us with iDrive can get a free update based on this? Unless perhaps BMW has a radically different concept of time.
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"CCC: Slow response to inputs made when using controller after startup."

Doesn't this mean that pretty much any of us with iDrive can get a free update based on this? Unless perhaps BMW has a radically different concept of time.
Some have reported 30 seconds to a minute of freeze time after starting the car. For example, selecting entertainment after start up causes the screen to hang for substantial time. My guess is this is what is meant by slow response to inputs. Just 5 seconds of waiting for a screen probably wont cause a need for the upgrade even though 5 seconds feels like an eternity when driving. It never hurts to ask your dealer. They will probably ask you to come in to take a look at the slow screens first hand.
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I called my dealer and quoted the arrow issue and I'm now scheduled for service in two weeks... I'll keep my fingers crossed that they upgrade to V25.
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I called my dealer and quoted the arrow issue and I'm now scheduled for service in two weeks... I'll keep my fingers crossed that they upgrade to V25.
Why keeping your fingers crossed? There isn't much that they can
do BUT upgrade you to V25 if them and you want this fixed. And if they
don't want to fix it, show them your baseball bat in the trunk of you car
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show them your baseball bat in the trunk of you car
Just make sure to take it with you before giving them the keys for service, otherwise it'll probably get stolen
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If you get this done, please post some pictures or confirm that the POI search is functional and that the main screen graphics have been removed...

I realize some EU pics have been posted already, but would like a "second opinion"
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Complete SIB in attached pdf file.

SI B 61 03 05
General Electrical Systems March 2007
Technical Service

This Service Information bulletin supersedes S.I. B61 03 05 dated December 2006.

designates changes to this revision

SUBJECT
Software Errors Corrected with Progman


MODEL
E90, E91, E92 E93 (3 Series)

Vehicles produced up to February 28, 2007


SITUATION
Customer may complain of the following:

The following software errors were corrected with the release of Progman 25.00.00 (Target data Status E89x-07-03-515).

If there is an incoming telephone call while SVS (Voice Input System) is active

CCC: Navigation system pop-up arrow display missing. Refer to SI B84 61 06.

PROCEDURE
For all vehicles, on a customer complaint basis only, refer to the following procedure and warranty information.

Update the complete vehicle per SI B09 05 01 (Coding, Individualization, Programming) Procedure B, using Progman 25.00.00 ( Target Data Status E89x-07-03-515) or higher.

WARRANTY INFORMATION
Covered under the terms of the BMW New Vehicle Limited Warranty.

Defect Code
Refer to KSD


Labor Operation:
Refer to KSD


Labor Allowance:
Refer to KSD
Can anyone explain this "CCC: Navigation system pop-up arrow display missing" thing?

Is this when you've selected a destination and the Navi map is displayed, are the routing arrows supposed to "pop up" before you take the turns (but they don't)?

What if you have the small Navi screen on the right and the large Entertainment screen on the left activated...are the routing arrows still supposed to pop up? This is the way I usually have mine set, even when I set a destination, but I would like it if I could actually "see" where I'm supposed to turn via the routing arrows; I only hear the voice telling me where and when to turn (of course, it rarely says the exact street name -- usually just says to turn up a ahead onto "the highway.")

Thanks.
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Can anyone explain this "CCC: Navigation system pop-up arrow display missing" thing?

Is this when you've selected a destination and the Navi map is displayed, are the routing arrows supposed to "pop up" before you take the turns (but they don't)?

What if you have the small Navi screen on the right and the large Entertainment screen on the left activated...are the routing arrows still supposed to pop up? This is the way I usually have mine set, even when I set a destination, but I would like it if I could actually "see" where I'm supposed to turn via the routing arrows; I only hear the voice telling me where and when to turn (of course, it rarely says the exact street name -- usually just says to turn up a ahead onto "the highway.")

Thanks.
That's exactly what it is. With V25 you will have the option to enable the
pop-ups so if you have the navi map on the right and you are doing guidance
you will see the arrows popping up for turns etc when before you wouldn't.
And if you had the navi on mute you would be happily missing turn after turn
after turn
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this is a repost from another thread, but here is the service bulletin regarding the arrow display pop up bug issue, and the "fix" (V25).

http://www.bmwtis.com/tsb/bulletins/...p/B846106g.htm



I got this from Shadowcoder above
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this is a repost from another thread, but here is the service bulletin regarding the arrow display pop up bug issue, and the "fix" (V25).

http://www.bmwtis.com/tsb/bulletins/...p/B846106g.htm

I got this from Shadowcoder above
I think you'll have to re-post that link...
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edited above post and repaired. sorry about that.

http://www.bmwtis.com/tsb/bulletins/...p/B846106g.htm
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edited above post and repaired. sorry about that.

http://www.bmwtis.com/tsb/bulletins/...p/B846106g.htm
Thank you; looks like I'll be getting my Navi s/w update after all.
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I hope the CD/CDC track advances also fixes the problem with my iPod advancing since it uses the same CD selection. It is a pain for audio books. I also experience the NAV slow response, and the pop up window. I will be scheduling today.

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