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      10-05-2010, 02:43 AM   #45
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It's more like a clumsy knee-jerk far left policy than a tory policy.
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      10-05-2010, 02:47 AM   #46
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Unfortunatly I dont agree with all the tax credit stuff, if you want kids then have them but dont expect the government to help you out. At the end of the day it's everyones choice whether to have kids, if you cant afford it then dont do it. And to say tax the higher earners just drives me mad, why should anyone that doesnt have kids pay for other people to have kids.

I am sure my opinion will pi** some people off but to me it's simple, if you cant afford to have kids then dont have them.
Most people on this forum with kids, I would assume, can afford to have them. The money from child benefits helps. I don't spend it on carry outs and drugs. We now have a Chancellor take that assistance away from only a select group who mostly through hard work and sacrafice have managed to provide a better standard of living for their family. It's now the case that my tax dollar provides families with higher earnings than my own with benefits that I am no longer entitled to.

His justification of this is, it would be too tricky to work out a fairer system.

Your opinion doesn't piss me off for what it's worth, but it's just an "I'm all right Jack attitude. Fuck everyone else." I think the fact you mentioned it, maybe you were intending to piss some people off.

Let's raise the tax rate to 60% for earners over £50,000 the fuckers can afford it. doesn't effect me. Same attitude but entirely unfair.
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Osbourne is going completely the wrong way about it, it should be done on household income and not what you individually earn BUT i do agree with other people on here if you can afford the kids then don't have them! Why should you get benefits for having children?!?!

There your kids so you should pay for them! Hopefully I will become a dad in the next year or so and I don't expect the government to pay for him/her when they arrive!

This is going to back fire big time on the tories
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£44K pa for the majority of people in the UK is a lot of money.

I say, if you can not do without state benefits earning this sort of money :-

1) Don’t have so many kid's. If you do, thats your fault.
2) Put your mind off Beemer‘s for a few years

Don't be a lot of whingers and moaners. Youv'e all had it good for too long and now it's time for your to start paying!
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Well well well, what a shower of lying shits.

This is the wrong thing to do. im sure most people can see this? Everyone i know is talking about it and saying its a bad move.

Ill tell you why he hasnt done it on household income, because then he would be alienating a lot of the lower tax payers (85% of the population), and that would be even more disastrous than this backward move.

We need to grow ourselves back into the black not slash/cutback, itll all end in tears.

Im going to loose money, fortunately for me its something i can soak up, but a lot of other people will struggle because of this.

In a bizarre way im happy, as the more cock ups these cretins make the sooner labour will regain power.

Whatever the blues say labour were not the cause of the WOLRDWIDE economic crisis and up until that we were all having a fair time of it. The bank bailout was the real reason for the massive debt etc but UKPLC has made money on that investment, if it were to sell today.

We need jobs and investment in people thats the only way the country will survive longterm.

PS Why has osbourne let off Vodafone of 6BN in taxes!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I'm with the posters on page 2. Whilst this may seem "unfair" in the way it's been applied it all comes down to one thing: If you can't afford kids without state support then don't have them.
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To be honest, I wrongly though that child benefit was only paid to the poor anyway.

Also, the downside of this is that the nice regular middle class people of country will be having less children and the dole scrounging benefit jockeys still have free reign to reproduce like rabbits.

Maybe that's just my paranoid mind that's been warped by years of reading the daily mail?
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reading the daily mail?
Thats where you have been going wrong
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I keep trying to quit but the patches and gums just don't give me the same hit lol
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I'm with the posters on page 2. Whilst this may seem "unfair" in the way it's been applied it all comes down to one thing: If you can't afford kids without state support then don't have them.
Everyone or just those paying a lot of tax?
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Everyone or just those paying a lot of tax?
I think everyone..
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...if you want kids then have them but dont expect the government to help you out...
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...If you can't afford kids without state support then don't have them.
That's fine but then that rule should apply to everyone, not just those who work harder/earn more. If you want to take away child benefit (one of the few universal allowances) then make it a blanket ruling. Don't just fuck those who have decided/tried to better their lives and work hard for it.
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Oh I agree 100% - should remove it altogether from everyone. Then it's perfectly "fair".
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Exactly, don't forget that the couple next door earning £ 85k between them also get double the tax allowances of the family where one parent earns £ 45k.
I haven't read the whole thread so apologies if this has been covered. What about the additional cost to the working couple of child care? That's going to be £400-600 a month they have no choice about paying. Or does one of them give up work?

I'm probably in the "worst off" category here as I earn well over the cut off and my wife works part time and under it. We'll lose the benefit and still have to pay childcare. I can't say as I've noticed the "benefit" anyway.

At the end of the day we all know there's going to be a price to pay for getting us out of the sh!t Labour got us into. Will I be pissed off with all the benefit cheats and scroungers out there? Of course but that's nothing new!
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Some good points about scumbags breeding just as much and the middle/educated working class folk waiting longer to secure their financial futures before having kids.

This could be something that becomes real enough that by the time the Tories are out again in a few years, the next government is forced to pick up and deal with.... Just as in many ways, Thatcher/Major were responsible for creating a thieving scrote class which sits below working class and were happy to blame it on Labour. Who simply compounded the problem rather than doing the right thing and chemically sterilising the fucking lot of them.

There is a controversial view for you.

I have long stated this fact.... During the period of time you are infringing on someone elses human rights, by being in their home, stealing from them or whatever, you should be exempt from the protection of human rights.

So those who are in fact cheating the benefit system (either legally or not) by their spawning of illigitimate, unloved, future convict little bastards should be forced to suffer the consequences in a way which ABSOLUTELY makes the next one think.

I've also often said, hang a man for murder and at least five more will think twice before killing anyone.

Extreme? Yeah. But you know me by now

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I agree with everything you say, Matt, apart from I don't see how Thatcher / Major created the thieving scrote class.

I fully agree with everything else including the sterilisation.
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I agree with everything you say, Matt, apart from I don't see how Thatcher / Major created the thieving scrote class.

I fully agree with everything else including the sterilisation.
I do sweep and generalise a little bit - I wouldn't expect my comments to stand up to close scrutiny

As once discussed at length with one chap who has now left the forum, and one who I am now good mates with... My political views are largely stupid and naieve, BUT I maintain that I give a good, balanced view of what the leyman of slightly above average intelligence is thinking... I wouldn't dream of debating what I do and don't know with yourself, PeterG, Roger etc.

I guess its more how I 'feel' than what is 'really true' - scary huh?

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Well I agree with you anyway.
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Well I agree with you anyway.
Nice one mate!

I'm down near you tomorrow - got a do on at the Ricoh Arena!

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I'm down near you tomorrow - got a do on at the Ricoh Arena!

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I'm sorry to hear that. Keep your doors locked, eh?
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I'm sorry to hear that. Keep your doors locked, eh?
I'll park over at Marlon Kings house.... Actually, on second thoughts...

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Some ineteresting posts. So an extension of the arguement that that says better off people shouldn't get Child Allowance is that Better off people shouldn't get the State Pension, which you could argue is a 'benefit' . If 'they' try fcuking with that they are not playing with fire but with an inferno.

My rationale is that I pay taxes, lots and lots of taxes to be honest, more than £26K a year between myself and my wife. Therefore, I am paying for my State Pension amounsgt other things and I would consider the Child Allowance to be nothing more than tiny tiny tax rebate - to which i am (was) fully entitled.


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Whatever the blues say labour were not the cause of the WOLRDWIDE economic crisis and up until that we were all having a fair time of it. The bank bailout was the real reason for the massive debt etc but UKPLC has made money on that investment, if it were to sell today.
Steve, no one doubts it was a Worldwide recession, it is more that Brown spent and spent and spent and spent (our money) some of which he didn't have and it is that legacy he left.

I agree sell the bank shares, that would be at least £60Bn.
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