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      10-29-2010, 02:49 PM   #23
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Time for an R8 competitor. They need to bump those M1 engine specs though.
It will NOT be an R8 competitor. It will be completely different car and in every aspect far above (current) R8.

This project will compete with Porsche 918 (M-version) and something else which players will push out before 2015.

Don't think any currently existing car in the same class or even close.
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one thing for sure is that this supercar will have the meanest looking front end IMO of any exotic competition out there!
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Supercar?

BMW should make a Hypercar to compete with the likes of the Veyron, SLR 722, Hennessey Venom GT, SSC Ultimate Aero.

Why? Why not. yum.


Anyways this car is going to be AWESOME. Comparable performance to an R8 and the gas mileage of a Prius. This is the future of motoring, just like SCOTT26 said.
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Glad bmw is getting a supercar! hope it doesn't look exactly like that though..
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      10-29-2010, 03:12 PM   #27
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It will NOT be an R8 competitor. It will be completely different car and in every aspect far above (current) R8.

This project will compete with Porsche 918 (M-version) and something else which players will push out before 2015.

Don't think any currently existing car in the same class or even close.
Yes. thats how I see it too. If this car was ONLY an r8 competitor that would be boring. this is totally different, totally new, going to reshape automotive technology
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Yes. thats how I see it too. If this car was ONLY an r8 competitor that would be boring. this is totally different, totally new, going to reshape automotive technology
What comes to supercars, BMW has had a slighly minor role in recent years. R8, SLR and SLS have divided German makers' market with Porsche while M3/M5/M6 have been more or less GT-cars. Now it's time to change the game - not by building something horrible hp-monsters but approach the definition of performance from completely different point of view.

I'm sure BMW is now on the right track. M100, M1 or whatever will be the milestone in supercar history. Please note that decision to concentrate lightweight eco-performance is several years old - competitors like Mercedes and Audi have to hurry a lot in order to catch BMW.
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lol I'd love a BMW supercar, but no way in hell would I (or I'm pretty sure anyone else for that matter) drop 250k+ for a car with "only" 450hp and basically the same engine as an M3...
it might have a lighter chassis, rendering the car more lighter, more nimble, agile, and more faster. Beside, it might have some advanced BS technology.
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I was super excited until I found out this was going to be some kind of exotic. This aught to be the next 1-series instead. Who care if a $200k car gets 58 mpg?

Could you imagine if they could get something that looks like this, performance 80% as well, for 1-series pricing!? BMW would dominate.
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      10-29-2010, 04:05 PM   #31
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WHY A HYBRID??? drop a V8 twin-turbo, V10 or V12 in it, do it right BMW....
Such cars are available by many companies, right now. The VED is about something else, it takes the idea of the classic sports and super cars we've been knowing for decades and transforms it into a super car suitable for the 21st century. Manufacturers used to (and still do) drop V8s, V10s and V12s into cars mainly for two reasons, power and performance. Technology has advanced and allows to combine M3 performance with 320d fuel consumption. That's nothing short of groundbreaking and probably an USP for BMW. Why? As your comment suggests, some just want a sports car offering enough power and performance and don't care about efficiency or fuel consumption, that's fair enough and there are plenty of cars to choose from. But there's a solid and growing group of car enthusiasts caring about 'sustainability' just as much as about performance, and the VED will be one of the first cars offering both. I can only think of one other car that offers something to the same effect, and that's the Porsche 918 Spyder (for 450k +).


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Inline 6 turbo engine (from the coming M3) or V8 (smaller) with an output of 450 PS
Two "Supercaps" for additional 100 PS each, boost feature

I take it as 450hp + 100hp + 100hp = 650hp ?
The article isn't completely clear, but I take it as 650hp as well.


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I'm sure BMW is now on the right track. M100, M1 or whatever will be the milestone in supercar history. Please note that decision to concentrate lightweight eco-performance is several years old - competitors like Mercedes and Audi have to hurry a lot in order to catch BMW.
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For all the news about front wheel drive, small cars, and multiple cross-over type vehicles they have spent money on designing, this is the one car that reminds you of the old BMW with its focus on performance.....makes me forget about the rest, and fall in love with BMW all over again. To be honest, the non-//M version looks sick, as its reported to be wicked fast with 0-60 in the 4s and still getting sick gas mileage. NICE.

SOUTH: awesome thread my man, awesome thread.....

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      10-29-2010, 07:17 PM   #34
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Yea I know, I realize that, but even for $200k I wouldn't do it. If they're gonna give this car 450hp I wouldn't pay a penny over 100k for it. The M6 will be ~100K and close to 600hp
ummm... Porsche GT3 RS...

You have heard of power to weight right...?

I wouldn't mind a car with 450 hp and weighs in under 2700 pounds and amazing handling! Plus... it looks sexy as all hell!!!
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scott and south, i have a question.

is bmw m capable of building a car that can go toe to toe with car like gt3 rs or 430 scud? it seems like they avoid this market completely and instead focus on x6m, x5m, x3m, x1m, etc.....

often time the m3 is being pit against porsche as evident in many online forums simply because bmw just doesn't have any faster car, so i think having a gt3 rs competitor would definitely bring more enthusiasts and recognition to bmw. it really doesn't need to be anything fancy. even a complete stripped out e92 m3 gtr at 3000lbs and 500hp v8 would make the fan real happy.

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its a very exciting time for BMW, i am really looking forward to learning more about this project. I really am shocked that there hasn't been more undercover spy shots. BMW is doing a great job of keeping this car under wraps.
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Yes. BMW are capable of doing something that competes with these cars
Do they want to? of course it is always in debate and discussion.
Will they do it? No because when brought into the real world there is no serious demand for such a car , but there is demand for a 1M coupe - a more affordable Performance concept.

And for a small company like BMW , who very much like to hold on to their independence they dont have the vast resources and parts bin as VAG.

Focus for BMW AG is currently in the real world

When I am asked when will we see the R8 Competitor etc And I always say never, why? because if they remotely understand anything about BMW then they will know BMW is more innovator than immitator.

BMW's stand out because that is their primary principle "The Ultimate Driving Machine" BMW is about the philosophy behind the product.
No matter how a competitor tries it still does not match up to a BMW.
I recently drove the Lexus CT sporthatch which promised class leading dynamics and agile handling? It was archaic , lifeless and uninspiring - The 1er Sporthatch which is coming to seven years old and replacment is more responsive it is car that does not betray it's intentions.

Vision Efficient Dynamics is pure BMW right down to the "Ultimate Driving Machine" philosophy only now the car thinks ahead to the eventual change of conventional mobility. Vision Efficient Dynamics is the first step into the future and it is BMW who are leading in this area.

Vision Efficient Dynamics is a look into a crystal ball when such sports car competitors are being forced off the roads due to future legislation.
BMW wants to remain on the road whilst it's competitors will be forced off.

Besides why cant engineering of such magnitude normally reserved for a Super Sports or Hyper car not be applied to something less exotic and be able to find a customer base in the "real world"?

That is where the MegaCity Vehicle comes in because it comes from the same school of thought behind the Vision Efficient Dynamics.
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Besides the typical BMW marketing bullshit, this car is gonna be sick. I love the concept. However it is very stupid when BMW tries to demean a car like the R8, admit that you got your ass whooped by a super expensive super-car that is selling like hot-cakes. It is true that this concept is probably going to be the future of super-cars and that BMW is leading the way, but what happened to living today? Where is the V12 gas guzzling BMW super-car of today? There's some senior executives that need to get laid today not in 2035!!!!
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no thanks. this is some jetsons shit. id rather have BMW stick to its roots and make a real car, not some computer.
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no thanks. this is some jetsons shit. id rather have BMW stick to its roots and make a real car, not some computer.
So you presumably don't like the ABS, traction control, air conditioning etc in your 135i? Those things were once exotic and unusual, now they're standard. Electric motors assisting an efficient combustion engine will probably be standard one day too.

It's called progress, BMW would die if they didn't embrace it.
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It looks good ,but let's see how it drives in 2013
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So you presumably don't like the ABS, traction control, air conditioning etc in your 135i? Those things were once exotic and unusual, now they're standard. Electric motors assisting an efficient combustion engine will probably be standard one day too.

It's called progress, BMW would die if they didn't embrace it.
This is true. It's just strange knowing in about 10 years ill probably be driving some nuclear powered quad turbo .5L hovercraft. I better enjoy the combustion engine as we know it before its too late.
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