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      10-29-2010, 10:55 AM   #199
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Well, the CPO we purchased last weekend experienced the engine light / idrive cluster warning / rough idle / percussive noises from the engine bay last night. Brought the car into the dealership this morning. Ran fine other than the Service Engine Soon light. Waiting to hear from my SA.

40,000 / 2008 / looks to be the first fuel issue although the dealership changed the fuel temp sensor / pressure sensor in early October when the car came off lease.
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      10-29-2010, 10:58 AM   #200
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This may have been answered already, but i have to leave for work in a few minutes and dont have time to read all 5 pages worth of posts.

My fuel pump died at 70k miles a few months ago. It was a $600 fix. I paid a private shop out of pocket.


Question is, could I potentially be entitled to reimbursement from BMW or would that never happen?
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      10-29-2010, 11:33 AM   #201
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This may have been answered already, but i have to leave for work in a few minutes and dont have time to read all 5 pages worth of posts.

My fuel pump died at 70k miles a few months ago. It was a $600 fix. I paid a private shop out of pocket.


Question is, could I potentially be entitled to reimbursement from BMW or would that never happen?
Technically your shop was supposed to bill BMW for the work done but it doesnt hurt to try. Call BMW and ask them. Fuel pump is warranted till 120K Miles.
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      10-29-2010, 11:35 AM   #202
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This may have been answered already, but i have to leave for work in a few minutes and dont have time to read all 5 pages worth of posts.

My fuel pump died at 70k miles a few months ago. It was a $600 fix. I paid a private shop out of pocket.


Question is, could I potentially be entitled to reimbursement from BMW or would that never happen?
If your sig info is correct, and you drive a 330i, you don't have the same HPFP that the 335's have. If you are talking about a 335, though, the pump would have been covered under the 10 yr / 120K extended warranty at a dealer. Whether you can get reimbursed now or not, I don't know.
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      10-29-2010, 12:53 PM   #203
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Just like all car manufacturers, they take home the $$ and we the consumers make the statistics for car failures/accidents.
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      10-29-2010, 01:00 PM   #204
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I'm pretty sure if you go in and you have mods (piggyback or any kind of tune where the ECU is touched), they will give you a hard time....If you haven't modded the car yet, then wait this out and see first...
it's a recall. they can blow me.

i can see them giving me issues about my intake though. might put up a fuss about how everything in the engine bay needs to return to stock before they can touch anything.
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      10-29-2010, 03:15 PM   #205
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Exclamation HPFP Invoice / Work Order

OK. It just so happened that my 335i was cranking slowly, so I took it in yesterday and they ended up replacing the fuel pump. Here's what the invoice/work order specified:
C/S: Client states vehicle is hard to start in the mornings.

Failure of high pressure fuel pump. Performed vehicle test and found code 2FBF. Refer to SIB 12-55-06 checked I-Level E89X-08-09-520. Target is E89X-10-03-504 needs programming. Checked low side fuel pressure 5.8 bar higher than required 4.75 bar. Performed programming with CAS and readapt DME and initialize szl. No change in condition. Submit TC PUMA case # XXXXXXX and PUMA approved HPFP and admin payment. Removed and replaced HPFP and cleared faults. Verify repairs.

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13-51-7-613-933 RMFD High-Pressure
13-51-7-613-933 Core Return
13-53-7-582-770 ASA-Bolt
11-61-7-547-242 Set of Profile Gask
I'm sure there are some on this forum that can make more of this than I can, but in the end I got another fuel pump and a reprogrammed computer. FWIW, I have not noticed and difference in car performance (positive or negative).
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If your sig info is correct, and you drive a 330i, you don't have the same HPFP that the 335's have. If you are talking about a 335, though, the pump would have been covered under the 10 yr / 120K extended warranty at a dealer. Whether you can get reimbursed now or not, I don't know.
Yes I've got a 330i, not a 335. Are the 330i's excluded from the recall?
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      10-29-2010, 04:04 PM   #207
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This is unfortunate as it does not look like BMW actually has a "fix". The 933 HPFPs have been documented to fail just like the prior six part numbers.

This announced recall may be just a means to get ABC News off BMW's case without ever addressing the HPFP safety issues?
Yep. The part description also says the fuel pump is a refurb. Unless they are changing something in the refurb process, I'd say we're pretty much stuck with a part that will fail again. I got 21k out if the first one. Hopefully the new one will last at least that long.
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      10-29-2010, 04:19 PM   #208
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OK. It just so happened that my 335i was cranking slowly, so I took it in yesterday and they ended up replacing the fuel pump. Here's what the invoice/work order specified:
C/S: Client states vehicle is hard to start in the mornings.

Failure of high pressure fuel pump. Performed vehicle test and found code 2FBF. Refer to SIB 12-55-06 checked I-Level E89X-08-09-520. Target is E89X-10-03-504 needs programming. Checked low side fuel pressure 5.8 bar higher than required 4.75 bar. Performed programming with CAS and readapt DME and initialize szl. No change in condition. Submit TC PUMA case # XXXXXXX and PUMA approved HPFP and admin payment. Removed and replaced HPFP and cleared faults. Verify repairs.

Parts:

13-51-7-613-933 RMFD High-Pressure
13-51-7-613-933 Core Return
13-53-7-582-770 ASA-Bolt
11-61-7-547-242 Set of Profile Gask
I'm sure there are some on this forum that can make more of this than I can, but in the end I got another fuel pump and a reprogrammed computer. FWIW, I have not noticed and difference in car performance (positive or negative).
How many miles on your car?

edit: sorry just saw it in next post.
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      10-29-2010, 08:54 PM   #209
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Just took mine to the dealer.

Just my 2 cents concerning this issue:

I bought the car certified pre-owned and was well aware of the fuel pump issue before buying but had faith that BMW will rectify the issue at some point since they stand by their products.

Since owning it I've only put 4500 miles on the car it's gone into limp mode 5 times and was hard to start numerous times along with a rough initial idle frequently.

Took my car to the dealer for this recall yesterday after reading about it on this forum (thank you!) and all they did was reprogram the car.

Here's the verbiage from the dealer:

-PERFORMED CAMPAIGN 0013950100 (PROGRAMMED COMPLETE VEHICLE)

-Found fault in DME:
29F3 LOW PRESSURE SENSOR
2FBF FUEL PRESSURE ON RELEASE OF INJECTION
PERFORMED TEST PLAN. INSTRUCTED TO PROGRAM VEHICLE.
GW CODE: 214711956
DIAGCODE: D1214_B0000000_90_210



On a side note to all you E92 owners with the seat belt extender. IMHO this thing is an utter failure in engineering not to mention a superfluous option. My first visit to the dealer about it they replaced the mechanism after I said, "can't you just disable the damn thing?" That worked for about a week. I asked to disable it again this go around and they replaced the entire seatbelt. Sheesh. I'm going to pull that mechanism out myself after it begins to fail consistently again (and that is a guarantee) and unplug the wires my damn self.
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      10-29-2010, 09:34 PM   #210
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Angry

So much for the replacement pump. I picked my car up this morning and on the drive home I went into limp mode. It took all of 40 miles for it to fail. I wonder what they'll do for me now? New pump or just software?
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      10-29-2010, 09:42 PM   #211
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It could simply have been a bad install, plane.
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On a side note to all you E92 owners with the seat belt extender. IMHO this thing is an utter failure in engineering not to mention a superfluous option. My first visit to the dealer about it they replaced the mechanism after I said, "can't you just disable the damn thing?" That worked for about a week. I asked to disable it again this go around and they replaced the entire seatbelt. Sheesh. I'm going to pull that mechanism out myself after it begins to fail consistently again (and that is a guarantee) and unplug the wires my damn self.
I've never had an issue with it in over 3 years so it's pretty reliable IMO. If you want to disable it do a search for what fuse you need to pull out and it won't extend anymore.
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It could simply have been a bad install, plane.
I hope so. I just went out and drove around the neighborhood with no problems. The light didn't come on and I had full power. Still...I don't have much confidence in driving this thing right now.

I've been lucky. I've had 5 BMWs since 1995 and this is the first with a major problem. I even had a 2007 335i with 40k miles on it before I got my latest one and never suffered the HPFP problem.
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      10-29-2010, 10:11 PM   #214
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This still sucks that BMW Canada, wont move on this for the Canadians! This is their response when asked:

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Thank you for contacting BMW Canada. We appreciate your inquiry.

At this time this recall is only for the United States. BMW Canada has no further information available regarding this recall. If you are experiencing concerns with your vehicle at this time, please contact the service department who will be happy to further assist you.

If you have any further comments, please reply to this email or contact the Customer Interaction Centre at 1-800-567-2691. Again, thank you for contacting BMW Canada.
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I hope so. I just went out and drove around the neighborhood with no problems. The light didn't come on and I had full power. Still...I don't have much confidence in driving this thing right now.

I've been lucky. I've had 5 BMWs since 1995 and this is the first with a major problem. I even had a 2007 335i with 40k miles on it before I got my latest one and never suffered the HPFP problem.
You should not be going into limp mode at all right after all that.....
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I've never had an issue with it in over 3 years so it's pretty reliable IMO. If you want to disable it do a search for what fuse you need to pull out and it won't extend anymore.
Well then that's good news. I assumed it plagued all E92 owners. The response from the service rep seemed to echo my sentiment on the mechanism. As for the fuse, my fear would be that it would disable other things. At least it's working for now.
The HPFP still hangs in the balance.
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This still sucks that BMW Canada, wont move on this for the Canadians! This is their response when asked:
hopefully with time.
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Well then that's good news. I assumed it plagued all E92 owners. The response from the service rep seemed to echo my sentiment on the mechanism. As for the fuse, my fear would be that it would disable other things. At least it's working for now.
The HPFP still hangs in the balance.
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This still sucks that BMW Canada, wont move on this for the Canadians! This is their response when asked:
Failure rate could more important in USA.

IMO I think poor fuel quality is a main reason. Vw have a similar problem with the new 2.0 DI TDI: in canada and rest of the world they have minimal failure and in USA they have a higher rare of failure, the HPFP explode destroying the injector in the process. They found out the Diesel in USA was crap ( no proprer lubrifiant additive vs rest of the world) vs the lubrification spec needed by the pump... So if your pump fail in Canada and rest of the world VW change your pump on warranty and if it explode in USA in certain state with crappy diesel they wont cover.

It could be the same in USA except BMW was pushed to the wall and they pass this under warranty but if failure rate is minimal outside USA it could explain they consider this as a pure badluck like any other failure after your warranty is over.

ASk your dealer if they repair HPFP on a daily, weekly or monthly basis vs the number of 135i, 335i sold since 2007, call 2-3 dealers and ask the same question you will know if this issue is major in Canada. My friend is a mechanical at a BMW dealer, I will ask him if this issue plague all the 135-335i

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By the way, the VW DI TDI pump is also from Bosch... So if the conclusion was improper lubrification because of poor quality fuel hummm chance are BMW design and lubrification spec of the pump is similar...

Also it is a major question to ask if this plague is focused in USA, yes I know their is more 335i/135i sold in USA than any place in the world. But if this issue is anecdotic outside USA, than a local parameter proper to USA could be the cause.

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