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      12-09-2010, 01:20 AM   #67
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I have the "is" convertible with the dct and am very happy with it. The exhaust note specially during shifting on manual mode is intoxicating.

My sticker price came out to be 69k but try adding all that up in a 335i and it will still not come with the extra cooling, the bad ass 313 rims and that sweet sounding exhaust I got. Plus, if i ever add the procede, it'll just be a better car as it already comes with the hardware that makes it able to handle tunes better. Plus I paid invoice so I say I got a great frickin car.
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      12-09-2010, 01:55 AM   #68
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should have tested the DCT, do launch and get a 0-60 in 4.6 seconds like Car and Driver
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should have tested the DCT, do launch and get a 0-60 in 4.6 seconds like Car and Driver
Not sure if you saw the part where it said 0-60 launch with 1' rollout = 4.7 seconds. I'm sure they're using a vbox for testing like C & D does. I think the 1' rollout is normal and would explain the difference.
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Dudes engaging in **** measuring contest

Most of the arguments made against the iS (i.e too expensive, not practical or rational) can be made regarding any bmw model, new or used. If you are looking for affordabililty and value, then you need to look at Japanese cars-- they offer more options, cheaper prices and some of them are not shabby in the performance dept. Some of the rivalries (CPO v new, 335d v 335i, 335i v M3 etc) on these boards are just plain silly, especially comparison between a stock iS with a tuned N55.

Also, to those worrying about hp in a race or on the track, sometimes it's the driver that matters and not the hp.
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While PROcede currently runs lower boost numbers for the N55, a PROcede tuned N54 335i will have the EXACT same numbers as a PROcede tuned 335iS. iS gets the benefit of extra cooling which would be helpful in keeping it going for longer, but does not offer any power advantage. They are both running the N54, and the PROcede will arrive at the same peak boost for each.



Overboost doesn't do anything for a tuned 335iS. Not being anti-iS here, but it's a fact that a PROcede runs far higher boost than even the overboost function. So activating it wouldn't change power/torque at all.
Another one who doesn't read the posts! My discussion never brought up a tuned 'is' at any point. My point was stock 'is' against tuned N55 and not forgetting the overboost numbers when comparing the two. It keeps it alot closer. And yes, of course the overboost goes away when tuned.

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I am glad that at least someone on here knows what they are talking about...
Really Adrian? You mix up tuned over stock numbers and you make commets like this! Don't be a dick!
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      12-09-2010, 07:47 AM   #73
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How did the car get more HP and become slower in 0-60 time? The 2007 335i did the same sprint with Inside Line in 4.8 seconds....
Yeah, I don't understand the 5.0 sec 0-60 time on the "is" car. Inside Line tested a stock 2007 335i and it churned out 4.8 sec. They even dyno'd it and found it had a little more boost than factory but still hard to explain the 4.8 sec result. Their summary seemed to imply BMW was purposely under-reporting performance figures.

BLUF: Those test results for the "is" are somewhat disappointing for the cost.

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http://www.insideline.com/bmw/3-seri...35i-coupe.html
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Really Adrian? You mix up tuned over stock numbers and you make commets like this! Don't be a dick!
I don't think anyone got anything messed up. Stock IS against tuned N55 is exactly what I was talking about. The point I and at least a few other people here are trying to make is that if you are trying to buy a brand new 335 for 2011, you have the choice of the is with the N54 or the i with the N55. Your stock IS will still cost 4-5K more and be no better in terms of power than the regular 335i with an $850 tune. The tuned N54 discussion was brought in, because someone mentioned the N54 can be tuned as well, which as a few people have already explained that in the case of the IS, the overboost function is lost and the engine becomes just like any other tuned N54 (faster than a stock IS but only about 10-15 WHP faster than a tuned N55). If the extra 10-15 WHP is worth 4-5K for you, by all means buy an IS so you can get the older engine...

The only thing I see about the IS, is visual improvements, nicer wheels and a DCT. If that is worth 4-5K more to you, then you made the right decision, I think judging by sales numbers most people would disagree however. I personally have only seen 2 is's even when I went to a BMW meet in South Florida with over 300 cars. I think people see that the pricing is a little high for a non-M 3 series. That's all, nothing to argue here, just facts...

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Dudes engaging in **** measuring contest

Most of the arguments made against the iS (i.e too expensive, not practical or rational) can be made regarding any bmw model, new or used. If you are looking for affordabililty and value, then you need to look at Japanese cars-- they offer more options, cheaper prices and some of them are not shabby in the performance dept. Some of the rivalries (CPO v new, 335d v 335i, 335i v M3 etc) on these boards are just plain silly.

Also, to those worrying about hp in a race or on the track, sometimes it's the driver that matters and not the hp.
i think they are comparing to bmw cars.... not to japanese cars
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My 2 cents worth:

Inside Line did a lame job on this one. First clue was the sticker price BS.

The 335is has a niche, similar to the beloved E46 ZHP. Yes you can save some $ by opting for a N55 Msport. But if you are serious about performance the N54 with extra cooling and lighter flywheel has some big advantages. If you do not want to tune and mod and change exhausts etc. then the 335is is a lot more fun out of the box with full warranty.

If you need 4 doors (E90) then it's moot.

M3s are great, always have been. But never has there been the option to mod the little brother into a M3 killer like with the N54.

I find posts that suggest the M has some mythical powers to be pretty lame. The formula is fairly simple. What distinguishes the M is the high revving V8 and an integrated package of LSD and aluminum suspension bits. In Euro the V8 is great. In the USA you are looking at a lot of speeding tickets to exact much fun out of it.

In a test drive I find myself enraptured by the M. But who did I marry? The 335.

The biggest complaint I have regarding the current M3 is weight. As a performance car, it should be significantly lighter than the daily driver 335. That is why I am so excited about the Z2M. If it comes in under 1000kilos / 2250 lbs., it will be the most fun to drive car ever.
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Inside Line did a lame job on this one. First clue was the sticker price BS.

The 335is has a niche, similar to the beloved E46 ZHP. Yes you can save some $ by opting for a N55 Msport. But if you are serious about performance the N54 with extra cooling and lighter flywheel has some big advantages. If you do not want to tune and mod and change exhausts etc. then the 335is is a lot more fun out of the box with full warranty.
Someone who gets it

I have only made minor mods to the car since I got it: tinted the windows and debadged all traces of 335is (except the ones inside the car) and am about to put my winter wheels on, so to the untrained eye, it's just a 335i. There's nothing wrong with modding or tuning, but I don't want to deal with the hassle of removing the tune everything I take the car in for service, or God forbid, the car breaks down on the freeway and has to be towed to the dealer. So, to me, the iS was a no-brainer. Now, if I keep the car pass warranty, then I might start extensive tuning or modding, until then am gonna enjoy it the way it's.
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      12-09-2010, 11:50 AM   #78
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I heard the is's exhaust note the other day in person and I said wow. No video does that echaust justice. I would like to drive one , maybe when I switch cars in about or so.
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Stop arguing and just buy an S4 which will best both With a $1500 tune, you get 410/370.

I have also considered this for my next car , heard one in person as well , and sat one in the auto show. Added it to my list for next possible vehicles.
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Why can't people appreciate a car for what it is instead of whining about money. You didn't spend it! I never once saw an IS owner here bitching at people for dumping mod money into their base 335i that would put them right into M3 territory (price).
Likewise, the 335is is a straight out of the box performer with every bell and whistle I would want in a 3 series. No warranty hassles, extra power, insanely good sounding exhaust, great exterior and above all, a transmission you can't get in any other normal three, this side of the atlantic or pacific.

Also, I'm not sure if you guys ever learned how to properly critique or debate something, but it's a constant bickering of two sides arguing over different issues. IS haters keep saying that a mild tune will make their car perform on par with a 335is and therefore, IS owners are getting ripped off and the car is lame because it's overpriced.
IS owners (at least myself and some others I know of) don't give a flying crap about modding or tuning. I don't have time to go around modding my car. I needed a new car with an epic warranty and no hassles that performed and the 335is fit the bill. Anyone who came at any IS owner arguing that their car is not worth the money is certainly arguing an IRRELEVANT point. That is all.

oh, btw, that review is garbage. There are thousands of auto journalists worldwide and this one falls with the majority that should be unemployed.
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One more thing for the IS "Haters" out there. I just priced out a 335 convertible on the bmw website and guess what its only $1500.00 less than the sticker of my 335is. I don't know about all you guys.

Enjoy your respective rides and if you are all looking for cheap then seriously, you all need to consider a toyota corolla.
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Why can't people appreciate a car for what it is instead of whining about money. You didn't spend it! I never once saw an IS owner here bitching at people for dumping mod money into their base 335i that would put them right into M3 territory (price).
Likewise, the 335is is a straight out of the box performer with every bell and whistle I would want in a 3 series. No warranty hassles, extra power, insanely good sounding exhaust, great exterior and above all, a transmission you can't get in any other normal three, this side of the atlantic or pacific.

Also, I'm not sure if you guys ever learned how to properly critique or debate something, but it's a constant bickering of two sides arguing over different issues. IS haters keep saying that a mild tune will make their car perform on par with a 335is and therefore, IS owners are getting ripped off and the car is lame because it's overpriced.
IS owners (at least myself and some others I know of) don't give a flying crap about modding or tuning. I don't have time to go around modding my car. I needed a new car with an epic warranty and no hassles that performed and the 335is fit the bill. Anyone who came at any IS owner arguing that their car is not worth the money is certainly arguing an IRRELEVANT point. That is all.

oh, btw, that review is garbage. There are thousands of auto journalists worldwide and this one falls with the majority that should be unemployed.
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Another one who doesn't read the posts! My discussion never brought up a tuned 'is' at any point. My point was stock 'is' against tuned N55 and not forgetting the overboost numbers when comparing the two. It keeps it alot closer. And yes, of course the overboost goes away when tuned.
Mate, I wasn't even responding to your posts. Please stop being so bigheaded. THIS was what I was replying to:

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I think the problem is that you're comparing a tuned N55 335i to a stock iS. Are you saying the iS can't be tuned? A tuned iS will still retain its advantage.
I just explained why a tuned iS does not retain a horsepower/torque advantage over a stock N54. That's it. Just facts. I didn't say ANYTHING about the iS being overpriced or shit or whatever everyone else is saying here.
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I have the "is" convertible with the dct and am very happy with it. The exhaust note specially during shifting on manual mode is intoxicating.

My sticker price came out to be 69k but try adding all that up in a 335i and it will still not come with the extra cooling, the bad ass 313 rims and that sweet sounding exhaust I got. Plus, if i ever add the procede, it'll just be a better car as it already comes with the hardware that makes it able to handle tunes better. Plus I paid invoice so I say I got a great frickin car.

69k????? You are out of your mind.....I love ALL the BMW's I ever owned, but 69k for your vert????? Wish I had money to burn like that!
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with the DCT it can def beat 13.3. my time was 13.3 last time i tracked it on a 1/4 mile and i know i could have had a better launch.
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