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      01-04-2011, 12:22 AM   #111
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LOL! Yeah, but they're still behind BMW. Don't get me wrong, i love them both, but unless Lexus changes their way of thinking, they'll never really be at the same level in terms of performance with BMW.
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      01-05-2011, 06:32 PM   #112
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Well in USA the E46 M3 had SMG 1 that was a 6-speed single clutch sequential manual gear box. The E60 M5 and E63 M6 came in with the second version called SMG II 7-speed single clutch sequential manual gear box. Now we have E92 M3 with Dual clutch sequential manual gear box.


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I'm pretty sure the E46 M's had the SMG II. Wasn't it the European E36 M's that had SMG I?
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      01-05-2011, 07:06 PM   #113
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Well just finished reading the Evo magazines article on the updated 2011 Lexus IS-F vs 2011 M3 competition vs 2011 Audi RS5 vs 2011 MB C63 AMG performance package plus.

It is amazing to see that the M3 competition is still the champ in overall as well as on track performance in their opinion. The Audi RS5 was last in that comparison but on track was able to barely out do their long term M3 comp. pkg that had worn out brakes due to many previous hard drives. They suspected that if the M3 comp. pkg brakes were in same condition as others it would have easily beaten the RS5 by a good margin.

The IS-F is much improved due to suspension upgrades and LSD. But still lagged behind in track times compared to the updated M3 comp. pkg and RS6. However, it still out did the more powerful C63 AMG performance pkg. plus.


To me the acceleration times for M3 comp. pkg were amazing as EVO mag. in past had recorded very similar numbers from the regular C63 AMG. To some extent now in my mind that rumor sticks out more that the BMW might have secretly improved the M3 acceleration. As even Car&Driver reported 0-60mph
3.9 sec. This is the same number Car and Driver had previously recorded for for the regular C63 AMG.

The C63 AMG performance pkg plus has at least 30hp more as well as other improvements. So it has to be faster the the regular C63 AMG.

Anyways here are the acceleration numbers from the EVO mag for everyone enjoy.

Audi RS5: 0-60 mph in 4.3 seconds
BMW M3 Competition: 0-60 mph in 4.3 seconds
Lexus ISF: 0-60 mph in 4.7 seconds
Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG: 0-60 mph in 4.4 seconds

Audi RS5: 0-100 mph in 10.6 seconds
BMW M3 Competition: 0-100 mph in 10.3 seconds
Lexus ISF: 0-100 mph in 10.9 seconds
Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG: 0-100 mph in 9.7 seconds

Audi RS5: 0-140 mph in 23.6 seconds
BMW M3 Competition: 0-140 mph in 22 seconds
Lexus ISF: 0-140 mph in 23.6 seconds
Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG: 0-140 mph in 19.1 seconds

Audi RS5: 100-0 in 4.2 seconds/285 feet
BMW M3 Competition: 100-0 in 4.3 seconds/300 feet
Lexus ISF: 100-0 in 4.4 seconds
Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG: 100-0 in 4.5 seconds/321 feet



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BMW's message to Lexus: You're just starting to catch up.
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      01-09-2011, 04:19 PM   #114
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And as for arguing....can we all not agree that there are so many variables between each of the times (weather, track, temp drivers, etc etc etc) that they times are indicative, not definitive?
I agree...

Something i noticed there was a 3 second difference between the 06 z06 time and the 07 z06 time. There shouldnt have been that big of a difference (although i think they did maybe make some suspension tweaks for 08 and a tranny change). Also wish there were MY's on the list. You could see when the test was done but hard to tell what year car they used.

All in all though great to see some comparision numbers.
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The Z06 tested in 07 was much more composed and a improved version due to the revised shocks/suspension upgrades over the 06 one. That was a well known improvement by Chevy that allowed greater speed/braking ability in and out of the corners. You can go back and read the differences in their article.


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Something i noticed there was a 3 second difference between the 06 z06 time and the 07 z06 time. There shouldnt have been that big of a difference (although i think they did maybe make some suspension tweaks for 08 and a tranny change). Also wish there were MY's on the list. You could see when the test was done but hard to tell what year car they used.

All in all though great to see some comparision numbers.
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I'm actually surprised by the 335 turning faster times than the previous IS-F. My IS-F feels tighter in the turns and faster on the straights then my map 7 JB3 335xi. Granted the awd adds some weight but I don't think the rwd and less weight would make that much of a difference but apparently it does. Butt dyno says the original is-f test was poorly driven. My 2 cents of inflated U.S. Currency!
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