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      11-11-2005, 05:38 PM   #23
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From where my perspective it's looking like I might have to start stocking up on the KY.
I originally wrote "Work" but then realized that my fellow Americans seem to have decided to vote against their own interests these days, but that is another matter...
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      11-11-2005, 05:44 PM   #24
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IMO keep your money and buy an old SEAT Marbella. Fine transportation. Drove one of those to La Cote D'azur in college; just shifted it into 4th gear, kept the gas pedal mashed down to the floor and got it up to about 60 - downhill.
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      11-11-2005, 05:48 PM   #25
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so you guys who have to pay so much for these cars,

for example, how much more is a base 911 where you are?

320i $80000 norway
330Msport $73000 uk

911 ?????????????????????
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      11-11-2005, 06:04 PM   #26
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A 911 is around $170000...

The M5 is $250000

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      11-11-2005, 06:16 PM   #27
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Average income is around $45000
25% taxes on everything we buy
Average salary tax is 40%

A pack of 20 cigarettes is $10
A Coke can is $2
A CD is $25

My 320DAT is $80000

You ARE lucky!

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and I was complaining my 320i cost $52000 lol.

It all depends how much tax your government is charging you,
and how many cars they can sell in your country

In a country where everything costs so much like japan,
it's still cheaper than countries like korea or "norway" even though they supposedly have a import car tax rate of about 30%.

Same tax rate in Korea, but since BMW sells about 250 bimmers a month (not just the 3 series) they have to sell it at a high price to make up for the cost to sell it here.

And yes, a fully loaded (actually every car here is pretty much fully loaded) s500 costs about $210,000 and I bet it costs more in norway lol
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      11-11-2005, 06:43 PM   #28
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let me give you some more info:

in Nov 2004 I paid in todays ex rate $125,000 for a 18 month old CL600 Bi Turbo, this car was depreciating $3,500 a month.

After 9 months I started to get nervous & bailed out into a 996 Turbo taking a hit on the CL of $52,000 taking into consideration the dealers margin which hurt me big time.

This was the biggest loss that I had ever made on a car.

The 996 Turbo was a great car apart from the ongoing reliability isssues that I had with her.

After owning the 996 Turbo for 4 months I traded in for a new E91 330d M Sport which I am taking delivery of in December ( I hope)

I have to say I am looking forward to owning a car which will be more practical & economical than my last 2 previous mistakes.

However, I still think the price of these E90/91 has hit the max since I last owned one.

As my original post asks, do you think this is a fair price for this type of car ????
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      11-11-2005, 06:56 PM   #29
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What do you guys in EU do to make the money to afford these things? My household income is about 130-140k US. It's not a huge stretch for me to afford my 330, but my wife would certainly prefer I buy something cheaper to own and operate.

Or are you financing these things for 15yrs? I have friends in London that laugh when we start talking salaries ... they must make a ton more than I do, because it seems like they're always doing some remodel / addition or taking some trip to an exotic place. But their eyes get wide when they see my car.

Are salaries in the UK really that much higher than the US?
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      11-11-2005, 11:15 PM   #30
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I am sure the HK or Singapore members will chime in sooner or later. Their import tax is 100% or more.

We got it good in the states.
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      11-12-2005, 12:24 AM   #32
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Everyone here does realize Americans work more hours than everyone but the Japanese, take less vacation than any other nation, pay for education, health care, have the most expensive housing costs outside of London and Tokyo, have to take it up the ass for divorce with divorce rates around 50%...

Here in California, your income is taxed federally up to 35%, another 8% to the state, another 7.25 - 8.75% for purchases, 6% for social security, and 4.5% for Medicare.

Hey, we saved the world so everyone could enjoy their German car without needing to chant "Seig Heil"...of course this last part is not serious.

Although we did save your Euro heinies. Let's all ignore every war we've been involved with since then ok.

And as hard as it may be to believe, I'm a hard line liberal.
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A Coke can is $2
A pack of 20 cigarettes is $10
A CD is $25
dang! I can't imagine how much more it would cost with the beverage in the can!

I apologize in advance for being THAT guy!
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      11-12-2005, 12:38 AM   #34
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So you think $73000 is much?

In Norway that car costs $130000!!!

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After 9 months I started to get nervous & bailed out into a 996 Turbo taking a hit on the CL of $52,000 taking into consideration the dealers margin which hurt me big time.

This was the biggest loss that I had ever made on a car.
You "Lost" money on a car?

It is a car, if you are looking at them from the standpoint of being an investment (even one you inherently know is going to loose money) you have some serious issues with how you handle money. Especially if you are messing around with exotica like 996 Turbos and CL600s.

If you are getting 'nervous' about the depreciation on something like that, and you 'bail out' of a BiTurbo MB luxury car and into a Porsche- you never should have bought either in the first place. Those cars are for people who seriously don't care abou depreciation- if that isn't you, you shouldn't have been stretching so far up in the first place.
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Well if you say so let's talk about 2-3 things that are very important. For instance with a 18000 Euros annual income you have to pay for medical insurance (about 2000 Euros/year for a family of 4), education (about 4000 Euros/year), etc. If you want to buy an appartment (about 90 square metres) you have to spend about 200.000 Euros. The petrol cost us about 1.00 Euro per litre. These are some examples of what a greek citizen has to pay every year. Have you anything to say?
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My dealership had a rather fully loaded 320d DE:68000 euros.


Cup of cofee in a restaurant here E 1.50/2 euros
A Heineken E 1.70 (in a bar, not a bottle) or 2/2.50 in other areas.
1 litre RON EU98 E1.43
1 Bratwurst sausage with ketchup E 1.80/2 euros
1 small McDonalds hamburger E1,-
1 appartment 120 square metres in my hometown E 320,000-
in Amsterdam nice area this same appartment would cost E 900.000,-

BMW M5 E 132,000 Ferrari F430 E 187,000, with flippers 202,000

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      12-23-2005, 10:28 PM   #38
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so then are our European members rich? and very well off financially?

how do you guys make it?
Life is expensive in Europe then, but are the wages proportional?
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My dealership had a rather fully loaded 320d DE:68000 euros.


Cup of cofee in a restaurant here E 1.50/2 euros
A Heineken E 1.70 (in a bar, not a bottle) or 2/2.50 in other areas.
1 litre RON EU98 E1.43
1 Bratwurst sausage with ketchup E 1.80/2 euros
1 small McDonalds hamburger E1,-
1 appartment 120 square metres in my hometown E 320,000-
in Amsterdam nice area this same appartment would cost E 900.000,-

BMW M5 E 132,000 Ferrari F430 E 187,000, with flippers 202,000

Sounds cheap compaired to what you pay for a weenie and ketchup at Disney
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What do you guys in EU do to make the money to afford these things? My household income is about 130-140k US. It's not a huge stretch for me to afford my 330, but my wife would certainly prefer I buy something cheaper to own and operate.

Or are you financing these things for 15yrs? I have friends in London that laugh when we start talking salaries ... they must make a ton more than I do, because it seems like they're always doing some remodel / addition or taking some trip to an exotic place. But their eyes get wide when they see my car.

Are salaries in the UK really that much higher than the US?
I want to know too, besides putting out more terrorist cells.
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I want to know too, besides putting out more terrorist cells.
it's also due to a factor called savings. Majority of Americans doesn't even know what that means. No offense...
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The way it was worked out for a company I know here is a specialist company looked how long it would take a person in s similar company with a similar job to make the money a specific class of house cost and a specific model car

The result were roughly

SA : 3 years salary
UK : 2 years salary
USA : 1,5 years salary

They did indepth studies of costs of all types of goods and services and came up with the same averge numbers
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