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      02-05-2011, 12:06 PM   #45
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You guys ever think that the chips you see on your wheels might be from rocks?

I'm not saying that they are, but that's a possibility, no?
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      02-05-2011, 01:42 PM   #46
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I know the subject of discussion is not VMR related so try to see this as assistance from one enthusiast (with wheel experience) to another. Did these paint flakes appear immediately after the simple green is rinsed off or did they appear slowly during the time you owned the wheels.

Peter, The flakes were starting before SG, after a few mos. they increased rather rapidly even before

Just being the devil' advocate here, chips like that can also be caused by large rocks impacting the spoke at high speed or a paint related issue... so you'd want to add those as the possibilities.

I agree, BUT those would have to be allot of rocks and how would they impact the back sides, inner, and in-between and back sides of the spokes. also the paint flecks are uniform in depth, with no abrasion to the metal and does not go past the primer layer.. in addition, I dont drive the car all that much (kept in the garage) I have 2 others that I like to drive often. (they also have aftermarket wheels, have seen SG use, still look GREAT! also waxed as well

Either way, hopefully You, Miro and **********s will come to a amicable solution soon.
Thank you, and I agree, you would think that **********s would be the ones wanting to know any of this information and asking questions
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I would say it's a paint issue with the miro wheels. It looks to me like poor primer job and clear coat.

From the photos it reminds me of my ACS Spoiler that I bought on ebay... The paint started to come off and the spoiler showed little dots that was down to the material.
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Sorry to hear op, but all wheel manufacturers i know of, recommend not using solvents on wheels. Over the counter autozone products and other household cleaners arent safe on wheel finishes. I dont believe **********s is to be held accountable.

Once you get this resolved, i would only use car shampoo or professional products like adams, p21s, sonax, etc.
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I would say it's a paint issue with the miro wheels. It looks to me like poor primer job and clear coat.
Yes i was thing that same thing
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Sorry to hear op, but all wheel manufacturers i know of, recommend not using solvents on wheels. Over the counter autozone products and other household cleaners arent safe on wheel finishes.
( are you serious with this statement? Thats where by far most people buy their cleaning products. If true, wouldnt there be a $hit more loads of complaints about damage??

Once you get this resolved, i would only use car shampoo or professional products like adams, p21s, sonax, etc.
Why are the "great" products only available on the internet at high prices..
if i spent 4k on wheels, then yes id use these "superior" products
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Simple green jacked up my Vossen wheels on my G37. Won't even think of using it again.
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Simple green jacked up my Vossen wheels on my G37. Won't even think of using it again.
wow! sorry to hear that, I'd think those would have a better finish on them....
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Thank you, and I agree, you would think that **********s would be the ones wanting to know any of this information and asking questions
Hope you get everything worked out. Just give a little more time for situations like this because no doubt there will be some back and forth communication between resellers and their vendor.
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Simple green jacked up my Vossen wheels on my G37. Won't even think of using it again.
OP may be or may not be at fault, but MB should still help him out.

im so happy i have never supported that poorly staffed company, or bought cheap miros for that matter....

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i've had miro m6 reps on my 328 and they held up fine even when i used eagle 1 mag wheel cleaner (which i believe is a mild acid based cleaner)... this must be a bad batch of wheels, probably cause by improper prep before paint. i think this should be a warranty issue. the fact that my miro rims can hold up to acid base cleaner and this one peels when eagle 1 is used clearly shows that its a bad batch.
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OP may be or may not be at fault, but MB should still help him out.

im so happy i have never supported that poorly staffed company,
One would think they would step in and help
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Needless to say I am a bit disappointed in ModBargins' response. How a customer is treated during the transaction is one thing, but it is more important how the customer is treated after the sale. Let's just say when I am considering my options I will remember this thread when it comes to make a purchase.

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you guys are buying cheap replica wheels made from china / taiwan which are not up to the standards of OEM specifications. Hence, you are paying 1/2 to 1/3 the price for it.

So there is really no surprise there. Would you buy a replica BMW 335i made from china and assume it to last and perform, fit and finish as a true BMW ?

Bottom line: you get what you pay for.
Yes it sucks for the OP. And it also sucks for **********s PR because we all know the profit margin is much higher in replicas than in real oem.
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why would you use Simple Green to clean ANY painted surface?!



if its painted and clear coated, use the same shit you use on your paint.
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why people hating on **********s? they are a business. they sale products to customers. if the customer is stupid and uses products like simple green why the hell should they have to cover it? thats just silly
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i dont think they should be one bit responsible. BMW doesnt say "not" to use simple green on the paint. Its common sense. If you did, should they be responsible? No. **********s sold you a product, you received product and used a shit cleaner on it. IMHO, they did their job.

All that aside, Im sure they will help you get things sorted with miro.
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why people hating on **********s? they are a business. they sale products to customers. if the customer is stupid and uses products like simple green why the hell should they have to cover it? thats just silly
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why would you use Simple Green to clean ANY painted surface?!

if its painted and clear coated, use the same shit you use on your paint.
While not as direct or maybe mean-spirirted, I'm kinda in this guy's camp. **********'s fail is that they should be trying to act as advocate for their customer with Miro and/or putting the customer in touch with them to sort things out. However, for all we know Miro may not have any direct customer interaction and to be honest, if I were **********s I wouldn't eat a set of wheels someone ruined by spraying some sort of cleaner on them either.

Clifton is right as far as common sense. I have read hundreds of detailing examples on many forums and I don't know any pro detailer that uses simple green. Why do you guys think it's safe because it has "green" in the name? I use that crap diluted to clean my bbq grill. It takes a ton of water to fully rinse and if you get it on soft plastics it discolors them.

Ask any detailer - never use anything on your wheels that you wouldn't use on the car. Would you spray simple green on your hood, let it sit there, maybe use a brush to work it in then rinse and expect good results? Most painted wheels are painted to a standard that's likely to be way below any auto manufacturer.

**********s should give an update to show that they've at least looked into it and the OP should chalk it up to experience.
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im so happy i have never supported that poorly staffed company, or bought cheap miros for that matter....

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