E90Post
 


 
BMW 3-Series (E90 E92) Forum > E90 / E92 / E93 3-series Technical Forums > AUDIO/VIDEO + BLUETOOTH + Electronics/Alarm/Software > Alpine HiFi Upgrade vs BSW Stage 1



Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      02-09-2011, 07:11 PM   #1
carrot
Private First Class
 
carrot's Avatar
 
Drives: 11 E90 323i
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Toronto

Posts: 134
iTrader: (0)

Alpine HiFi Upgrade vs BSW Stage 1

I have an e90 with Base stereo: 6 speakers + 2 subs + BMW Professional Radio.

For my first mod, I'm only looking to mildly upgrade to HiFi sound or close to Logic7. But I want to retain the OEM look, so no aftermarket head units. That led me to consider BSW Stage 1 and Alpine HiFi. The US guys seems to favor BSW, but in Europe lots opt for Alpine HiFi retrofit because it's an official OEM product.

BSW Stage1 - Pros/Cons
+ 2 more mid-range and 2 more tweeters (4+4 total)
+ ability to add [Uf110 Sub + Rockford Fosgate P200-2 Amp] $729
-- no amp standard

Alpine HiFi - Pros/Cons
+ Alpine amp incl.
+ official OEM retrofit kit
-- only 2 speakers and 2 tweeters

Pricing is similar.

1. Any thoughts which is better on e90 (ie. BSW extra speakers or Alpine amp)?

2. Hybrid of BSW + Alpine Amp?


Thanks all.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=203330
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=182752
__________________
11 E90 323i 6MT AW|Black|Satin BMW Performance Grill F1 Pinnacle 30 |Coded: M3 Digital Speedometer Corner Light Del AE-DRL | Mtec H7 Mtec H8 RDash AE LED V2 M3 Lip Spoiler BMW SSK Gloss Black Roof
carrot is offline   Canada
0
Reply With Quote
      02-09-2011, 11:14 PM   #2
wholloway2
Private First Class
 
Drives: 2014 435i M-Sport
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: San Diego

Posts: 116
iTrader: (0)

Good Questions! I look forward to the responses.
wholloway2 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      02-10-2011, 07:42 PM   #3
kmarei
Major General
 
kmarei's Avatar
 
Drives: 1988 E30 M3 Evo II
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Reston, VA

Posts: 6,480
iTrader: (33)

Garage List
i got the BSW kit
they sound very good
why not get the BSW kit now and get an aftermarket amp as stage 2 of the upgrade?
kmarei is offline   Egypt
0
Reply With Quote
      02-10-2011, 08:06 PM   #4
Technic
Lieutenant General
 
Technic's Avatar
 
Drives: 2015 320i
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Ft Lauderdale, Florida

Posts: 11,095
iTrader: (17)

Garage List
2004 M3  [0.00]
What is the budget for this?

Quote:
Originally Posted by carrot View Post
I have an e90 with Base stereo: 6 speakers + 2 subs + BMW Professional Radio.

For my first mod, I'm only looking to mildly upgrade to HiFi sound or close to Logic7. But I want to retain the OEM look, so no aftermarket head units. That led me to consider BSW Stage 1 and Alpine HiFi. The US guys seems to favor BSW, but in Europe lots opt for Alpine HiFi retrofit because it's an official OEM product.

BSW Stage1 - Pros/Cons
+ 2 more mid-range and 2 more tweeters (4+4 total)
+ ability to add [Uf110 Sub + Rockford Fosgate P200-2 Amp] $729
-- no amp standard

Alpine HiFi - Pros/Cons
+ Alpine amp incl.
+ official OEM retrofit kit
-- only 2 speakers and 2 tweeters

Pricing is similar.

1. Any thoughts which is better on e90 (ie. BSW extra speakers or Alpine amp)?

2. Hybrid of BSW + Alpine Amp?


Thanks all.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=203330
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=182752
Technic is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      02-10-2011, 11:08 PM   #5
carrot
Private First Class
 
carrot's Avatar
 
Drives: 11 E90 323i
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Toronto

Posts: 134
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by kmarei View Post
i got the BSW kit
they sound very good
why not get the BSW kit now and get an aftermarket amp as stage 2 of the upgrade?
That's a great idea. I'm leaving towards the BSW kit.

Since I have the base system (no amp). Do you know if adding an aftermarket amp would require coding?


To answer the previous post, I'm trying to keep the budget under $800. Thanks.
__________________
11 E90 323i 6MT AW|Black|Satin BMW Performance Grill F1 Pinnacle 30 |Coded: M3 Digital Speedometer Corner Light Del AE-DRL | Mtec H7 Mtec H8 RDash AE LED V2 M3 Lip Spoiler BMW SSK Gloss Black Roof
carrot is offline   Canada
0
Reply With Quote
      02-10-2011, 11:29 PM   #6
Technic
Lieutenant General
 
Technic's Avatar
 
Drives: 2015 320i
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Ft Lauderdale, Florida

Posts: 11,095
iTrader: (17)

Garage List
2004 M3  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by carrot View Post
That's a great idea. I'm leaving towards the BSW kit.

Since I have the base system (no amp). Do you know if adding an aftermarket amp would require coding?


To answer the previous post, I'm trying to keep the budget under $800. Thanks.
Less than $650

- DLS PS4A front: http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_...DLS-PS-4A.html
- Vibe Slick 4 rear: http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_...SLICK4-V3.html
- SSMB8 underseat: http://cgi.ebay.com/Kicker-SSMB8-200...item2561335c4d
- Blaupunkt THA555: http://cgi.ebay.com/BLAUPUNKT-THA555...item35adf24319
- Stereo harness with 2 Tyco blocks for the THA555, OEM speaker connectors for front and rear, jumpers for the woofer connectors, extra wiring and spacers for the underseat woofers: $160

Not a single OEM wire to cut, splice or tap.
Technic is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      02-10-2011, 11:53 PM   #7
ctuna
Brigadier General
 
Drives: 325xi 06 wagon MT
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Santa Cruz, Ca

Posts: 4,214
iTrader: (0)

what about the eq curve on the base system

don't you either have to reprogram the head unit or get a processor to flatten the eq curve of the head unit before adding and amp.
ctuna is online now  
0
Reply With Quote
      02-11-2011, 07:52 AM   #8
Technic
Lieutenant General
 
Technic's Avatar
 
Drives: 2015 320i
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Ft Lauderdale, Florida

Posts: 11,095
iTrader: (17)

Garage List
2004 M3  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by ctuna View Post
don't you either have to reprogram the head unit or get a processor to flatten the eq curve of the head unit before adding and amp.
Although it is still the best solution, adding a processor to the Stereo is also optional depending on the owner's musical taste and even the front speakers/crossover chosen. A component set with already harsh tweeters -like MB Quarts- will make the already harsh front OEM signal moreso, for example.

There has been several Stereo upgrade installs without a processor in this forum that apparently sounded great for the members, so the suggestion of the processor is just became that, a suggestion and not a requirement.
Technic is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      02-11-2011, 05:34 PM   #9
carrot
Private First Class
 
carrot's Avatar
 
Drives: 11 E90 323i
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Toronto

Posts: 134
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Technic View Post
Less than $650

- DLS PS4A front: http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_...DLS-PS-4A.html
- Vibe Slick 4 rear: http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_...SLICK4-V3.html
- SSMB8 underseat: http://cgi.ebay.com/Kicker-SSMB8-200...item2561335c4d
- Blaupunkt THA555: http://cgi.ebay.com/BLAUPUNKT-THA555...item35adf24319
- Stereo harness with 2 Tyco blocks for the THA555, OEM speaker connectors for front and rear, jumpers for the woofer connectors, extra wiring and spacers for the underseat woofers: $160

Not a single OEM wire to cut, splice or tap.
Thanks for the advice. But I don't think my audio noobness can handle the installation.. lol I'll try the BSW kit since it's PnP. Then I'll see if I can add an aftermarket amp like the Blaupunkt as you suggested.
__________________
11 E90 323i 6MT AW|Black|Satin BMW Performance Grill F1 Pinnacle 30 |Coded: M3 Digital Speedometer Corner Light Del AE-DRL | Mtec H7 Mtec H8 RDash AE LED V2 M3 Lip Spoiler BMW SSK Gloss Black Roof
carrot is offline   Canada
0
Reply With Quote
      02-11-2011, 05:40 PM   #10
carrot
Private First Class
 
carrot's Avatar
 
Drives: 11 E90 323i
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Toronto

Posts: 134
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Technic View Post
Although it is still the best solution, adding a processor to the Stereo is also optional depending on the owner's musical taste and even the front speakers/crossover chosen. A component set with already harsh tweeters -like MB Quarts- will make the already harsh front OEM signal moreso, for example.

There has been several Stereo upgrade installs without a processor in this forum that apparently sounded great for the members, so the suggestion of the processor is just became that, a suggestion and not a requirement.
Yea, I don't have super high expectations. I just want to improve on the thin base sound into something more solid. As per suggestion, I'll order the BSWs and try them out. If I need better sound processing, I'll add an aftermarket amp. Thanks guys.

I was reading that BSW also has their own PnP amp in development. But that seems to be taking forever?

Mentioned in previous post, if I add an aftermarket amp and keep my stock HU, then I need some programming done?
__________________
11 E90 323i 6MT AW|Black|Satin BMW Performance Grill F1 Pinnacle 30 |Coded: M3 Digital Speedometer Corner Light Del AE-DRL | Mtec H7 Mtec H8 RDash AE LED V2 M3 Lip Spoiler BMW SSK Gloss Black Roof
carrot is offline   Canada
0
Reply With Quote
      02-11-2011, 06:21 PM   #11
VP Electricity
Brigadier General
 
VP Electricity's Avatar
 
Drives: E91 XDrive
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: portland oregon

Posts: 3,177
iTrader: (3)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Technic View Post
Although it is still the best solution, adding a processor to the Stereo is also optional depending on the owner's musical taste and even the front speakers/crossover chosen. A component set with already harsh tweeters -like MB Quarts- will make the already harsh front OEM signal moreso, for example.

There has been several Stereo upgrade installs without a processor in this forum that apparently sounded great for the members, so the suggestion of the processor is just became that, a suggestion and not a requirement.
Technic, have you tried this? Or is this a theoretical exercise?
VP Electricity is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      02-14-2011, 01:28 AM   #12
Imperator
Major
 
Imperator's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 E92 335i
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Plano, Texas

Posts: 1,128
iTrader: (7)

I pieced together a stop-gap solution that I was able to install in all of about 6 hours. Fully aware of the compromises in this setup, I threw these in my car for the relative ease of installation and low cost.

-Alpine HiFi (retrofit) amplifier and harness (~$330, purchased from a forum member)
-OEM Logic7 subwoofers in original enclosures ($100, purchased from a forum member)
-BSW Stage 1 E93 (front-stage only) components ($250)

The results are better than expected but don't completely satisfy my goals for the car, as I have a Zapco DC360.4 waiting to be installed. It still sounds far better than an OEM HiFi system and is even a bit brighter than most Logic7 cars I've heard. Unfortunately, tuning is the missing link and it's sorely noted with music that showcases the base audio system's EQ curve.

If you like to listen to rock, some hip-hop or house, this system might work well for you. Some acoustic, jazz and blues music just sounds ridiculously bright and too boomy for my tastes.
Imperator is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      02-14-2011, 07:13 AM   #13
kaigoss69
Brigadier General
 
kaigoss69's Avatar
 
Drives: '08 335i
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: JAX

Posts: 3,028
iTrader: (5)

imperator, if you listen to music mostly through your iPod, you may want to look into the MS-8's little brother, the MS-2. It's $200 and reportedly tunes your car 90% as well as the MS-8. I'm not sure it's available just yet though...
__________________
Mobridge DA2 > JBL MS-8 > JL Audio HD600/4 > (3) Hybrid Audio L3SE & (2) Rainbow Cal25; JL Audio HD900/5 > (2) Morel HCW-10 & (1) IDMax 15

Last edited by kaigoss69; 02-14-2011 at 07:20 AM.
kaigoss69 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      02-14-2011, 08:11 AM   #14
Technic
Lieutenant General
 
Technic's Avatar
 
Drives: 2015 320i
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Ft Lauderdale, Florida

Posts: 11,095
iTrader: (17)

Garage List
2004 M3  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by VP Electricity View Post
Technic, have you tried this? Or is this a theoretical exercise?
I tried a set of DLS PS4A in a iDrive CIC Stereo system and they sounded decent to me without any processor, however I set their tweeter crossover to the "Low" setting.

I even try them without any amplification -directly to the CIC- and it also sounded better than OEM, but then the iDrive outputs a slightly higher power output than the OEM HU and apparently it does not have any capacitors in the front door speakers wires (between the woofers and the mids). That and individual crossovers in the PS4A could have made the difference. The silk tweeter actually sounded "tamed" and there was more "punch" from the mid.

I don't think that this can be replicated with the OEM HU, though.
Technic is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      02-14-2011, 10:42 AM   #15
Imperator
Major
 
Imperator's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 E92 335i
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Plano, Texas

Posts: 1,128
iTrader: (7)

Quote:
Originally Posted by kaigoss69 View Post
imperator, if you listen to music mostly through your iPod, you may want to look into the MS-8's little brother, the MS-2. It's $200 and reportedly tunes your car 90% as well as the MS-8. I'm not sure it's available just yet though...
Thanks! I need to call a product rep to get more information about their MS line. I was reading up on their compact MS-A1004 amplifier last night-- that seems like an almost perfect drop-in amplifier solution for base audio cars. Unfortunately, I don't believe its DSP setup routine performs normalization.

I see the MS-2 is used for auxiliary sources but it won't address the base audio EQ curve through the head unit. I would still need some sort of post-source processing unless I re-code it to HiFi, but then I would lose the rear channel amplification.
Imperator is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      02-14-2011, 11:40 AM   #16
Bimmer-Bob
!
 
Bimmer-Bob's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 128i
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Camp Lejeune, NC

Posts: 2,238
iTrader: (2)

Garage List
Anyone know where people are buying the Alpine retrofit kit? And what they're paying for it?


EDIT: I know it's through the Euro dealers - just wondering if there are specific ones selling to US buyers, or if people are just getting them off of eBay or what. Thanks.
Bimmer-Bob is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      02-14-2011, 11:50 AM   #17
Imperator
Major
 
Imperator's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 E92 335i
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Plano, Texas

Posts: 1,128
iTrader: (7)

At one point, people were buying them from "Roveractive," an eBay seller with a storefront for EU-sourced BMW parts. I got my X3 sunglasses holder from him.
Imperator is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      02-14-2011, 11:57 AM   #18
Bimmer-Bob
!
 
Bimmer-Bob's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 128i
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Camp Lejeune, NC

Posts: 2,238
iTrader: (2)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by Imperator View Post
At one point, people were buying them from "Roveractive," an eBay seller with a storefront for EU-sourced BMW parts. I got my X3 sunglasses holder from him.
Ah - I saw his listing on eBay. He was charging about $600, which I thought to be a bit high, but in digging around it looks like the prices have gone up even through dealerships, compared to where they were a year or two ago. Maybe $600 is the new normal, although it certainly makes the kit a little less attractive, IMO. Thanks for the info.
Bimmer-Bob is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      02-18-2011, 04:26 AM   #19
carrot
Private First Class
 
carrot's Avatar
 
Drives: 11 E90 323i
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Toronto

Posts: 134
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bimmer-Bob View Post
Ah - I saw his listing on eBay. He was charging about $600, which I thought to be a bit high, but in digging around it looks like the prices have gone up even through dealerships, compared to where they were a year or two ago. Maybe $600 is the new normal, although it certainly makes the kit a little less attractive, IMO. Thanks for the info.
Alpine Hifi Kit
http://www.schmiedmann.com/636/produ...-0-445-684.htm

Selling for about US$400.
__________________
11 E90 323i 6MT AW|Black|Satin BMW Performance Grill F1 Pinnacle 30 |Coded: M3 Digital Speedometer Corner Light Del AE-DRL | Mtec H7 Mtec H8 RDash AE LED V2 M3 Lip Spoiler BMW SSK Gloss Black Roof
carrot is offline   Canada
0
Reply With Quote
      02-18-2011, 05:10 AM   #20
Bimmer-Bob
!
 
Bimmer-Bob's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 128i
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Camp Lejeune, NC

Posts: 2,238
iTrader: (2)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by carrot View Post
Alpine Hifi Kit
http://www.schmiedmann.com/636/produ...-0-445-684.htm

Selling for about US$400.
Thanks - I picked one up from them yesterday.

For anyone else that is interested, it should be noted that the kit they advertise on their site is the older kit for pre-3/09 vehicles. You can order the newer kit from them if you need it using the part number search on the shopping cart page. It sells for the same price.

It's possible that they correct this anyway since you provide your chassis number when ordering, but I wouldn't count on it.
Bimmer-Bob is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      02-18-2011, 05:43 AM   #21
powerbarsk8ter
Private First Class
 
Drives: 09 E90 xi
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Washington DC

Posts: 114
iTrader: (0)

Thanks for the Alpine kit link. But it only comes with 2speakers plus 2 tweeters. How can that be good for acoustics? And which speakers from the car should be replaced. Will the unreplaced speakers be used still. Thanks.
powerbarsk8ter is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      02-18-2011, 10:28 AM   #22
morfinx
Shenanigans
 
morfinx's Avatar
 
Drives: E89 Z4 sDrive35i
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Austin, TX

Posts: 1,222
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bimmer-Bob View Post
Thanks - I picked one up from them yesterday.

For anyone else that is interested, it should be noted that the kit they advertise on their site is the older kit for pre-3/09 vehicles. You can order the newer kit from them if you need it using the part number search on the shopping cart page. It sells for the same price.

It's possible that they correct this anyway since you provide your chassis number when ordering, but I wouldn't count on it.
What's the difference between the older and newer kit? Do you have the part number for the newer kit?
morfinx is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:45 AM.




e90post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST