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      03-19-2011, 09:38 AM   #1
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Bavarian technic vs. NCS expert and cable

Other than the cost does anyone know of the differences between buying the Bavarian technic tool, or buying one of the recommended cables and downloading NCS?

Has anyone had any experience with the bav technic tool?

Can you do more with either one?
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      03-19-2011, 10:47 AM   #2
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I have both. BT is simpler to use but I prefer INPA/NCS. I also use DIS and it is really easy to use as well. The BT enthusiast tool (the cheaper one) can't do coding. You can clear codes with it, though.

My preference is INPA/NCS/DIS. You can do everything and more with them over BT. And once you have them set up, you can do some pretty cool coding as well. Good luck!
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The BT tool can't really do any coding.

I tried to code my drl with the BT tool and always got an error.

Like orange said, once you are comfortable with NCS/Inpa you can do soo much more cool stuff with it.
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      03-19-2011, 06:25 PM   #4
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Don't you need the BT to read and interpret what triggered the error?
The NCS/INPA only gives you the error code and doesn't say why it's caused..
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I have the enthusiast version of the bav tool...it's more user friendly. Can't do coding....professional version may though.

Im ordering the OBDII cable soon an will probably sell my bav tool.
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INPA will tell you what the code is and why, just like bt.
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INPA will tell you what the code is and why, just like bt.
yep...+1.

You can even google the error code and get a more in depth explanation.
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      03-21-2011, 10:18 AM   #8
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Not that it matters to the OP, but BT Tool doesn't work on 2011 cars. INPA does...
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I have the enthusiast version of the bav tool...it's more user friendly. Can't do coding....professional version may though
The type of "coding" the BT tool refers to in the Professional version is the ability to back up the coding of a module and to restore it into a new module for replacement.

It doesn't do the advanced coding like NCS Expert can. However, with all the information coming out now on coding and how to handle official retrofits with NCS Expert and such, I wouldn't be suprised if BT started working on getting into more advanced coding before too long.
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^^^^^^^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^^^^^^^^

I had already coded my car using the eBay cable and NCSExpert

But a friend had the BT Pro tool (which they state can do coding) so we tried it.

It could not code individual items such as we are all doing with NCSExpert.

So basically, the BT Pro Tool is in NO way a cheap option for coding when you can pick up the eBay cable for $85 shipped & download the software for free...
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^^^^^^^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^^^^^^^^

I had already coded my car using the eBay cable and NCSExpert

But a friend had the BT Pro tool (which they state can do coding) so we tried it.

It could not code individual items such as we are all doing with NCSExpert.

So basically, the BT Pro Tool is in NO way a cheap option for coding when you can pick up the eBay cable for $85 shipped & download the software for free...
could u link me to the $85 cables..
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could u link me to the $85 cables..
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is NCS and INPA the same thing?
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is NCS and INPA the same thing?
They are in the same software package, INPA is a factory diagnostic program, NCS is factory coding, WinKFP is factory programming.
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Where can you get the latest versions

of the software. without torrenting
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there are 20 or 30 thread with the answer... i'm so tired of seeing this question. Check the Coding Success thread
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Can the INPA or NCS software perform maintenance activities like triggering the ABS unit when bleeding brakes?
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Can the INPA or NCS software perform maintenance activities like triggering the ABS unit when bleeding brakes?
INPA can
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Where is the latest download of INPA, NCS EXPERT, and the latest DATEN files
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I have a question along the lines of the original post. I'm fairly new the E90 and I'm working on building up my knowledge of the platform and new tools I'll need to do DIY on the platform. For me this includes real diag software (I used Peake on my E39 and it was fine) like BT or AE as well as a K+DCAN set up.

I have a 02/2007 build E90 and I believe I fit into the range of models which requires the OBDII adapter to suppress pin 8 on most K+DCAN cables.

With my build date, and assuming I get coding all working and figured out, I presume that I'll also be able to use INPA and DIS. With INPA and DIS at my disposal, does BavTech or Autoenginuity serve any purpose whatsoever or would it just be money wasted?

I want to:
- read and clear codes, including shadow codes, soft codes, and any other codes that don't necessarily illuminate the CEL
- perform maintenance tasks like battery registration, cycle ABS
- reset adaptations
- airbag/SRS code reads and resets
- I'm not sure if I'd use any real time data gathering or not, since I'm not tuning a turbo car etc...

I don't have a 335, I don't have a tune, I'm not likely to do a lot of retrofitting. I'm in Canada so all of these things will cost more out of pocket to obtain than in the USA, and I'll have to pay 13% Sales Tax on everything no matter where I buy it. I don't want to buy it, try it, then put it up for sale at a loss of ~$80-100.


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