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      05-04-2007, 12:08 AM   #1
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Hi Gang,

Irwindale was a bit of a joke tonight, long waits and no traction, but I managed a new best 1/8th mile of 8.24@85mph, 1.84 60' time. On par for a 12.77 run if only the track was longer.

My car is a non-sport sedan with Xede, res delete, aftermarket rims/tires, and 93 octane.

The car felt pretty good, the Xede is making a lot of power. Now we just need to figure out a way to get a set of slicks on the car, perhaps some 328 rear brakes and 16" rims are in my future?

PS. A friend took a burnout pic. Nice way to break in new tires, no?


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Go to LACR tomorrow night or next week and see what you can get at the 1/4mile. I think driver72 got a best of 13.47 @ 105mph with a PROcede.
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Hi Gang,

Irwindale was a bit of a joke tonight, long waits and no traction, but I managed a new best 1/8th mile of 8.24@85mph, 1.84 60' time. On par for a 12.77 run if only the track was longer.

My car is a non-sport sedan with Xede, res delete, aftermarket rims/tires, and 93 octane.

The car felt pretty good, the Xede is making a lot of power. Now we just need to figure out a way to get a set of slicks on the car, perhaps some 328 rear brakes and 16" rims are in my future?
Thanks for posting, Terry. Still a pretty good time. Right there with rflows and Maxboost 1/8th mile and 60 ft, just a little slower on the trap.
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Hi Gang,

Irwindale was a bit of a joke tonight, long waits and no traction, but I managed a new best 1/8th mile of 8.24@85mph, 1.84 60' time. On par for a 12.77 run if only the track was longer.

My car is a non-sport sedan with Xede, res delete, aftermarket rims/tires, and 93 octane.

The car felt pretty good, the Xede is making a lot of power. Now we just need to figure out a way to get a set of slicks on the car, perhaps some 328 rear brakes and 16" rims are in my future?

Good numbers Terry
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Go to LACR tomorrow night or next week and see what you can get at the 1/4mile. I think driver72 got a best of 13.47 @ 105mph with a PROcede.
I plan on running there next Sunday
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Nice run Terry. Sorry I missed it.
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Nice run Terry. Sorry I missed it.
Thanks!! Coming out to "German Invasion" next week? It's going to be slip 'n slide at LACR, but there should be a good mix of procede, xede, and tt cars all running on the same day.
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Go to LACR tomorrow night or next week and see what you can get at the 1/4mile. I think driver72 got a best of 13.47 @ 105mph with a PROcede.
It was 13.48 @ 106.64 at LACR on 92 Octane.

I poured in some 100 Octane to bring it up to 93 Octane and couldn't do any better ET's, (a bit faster trap though) actually did a bit worse...traction was getting more difficult as the evening got colder.
With 93 Octane my best at LACR was
13.505 @ 106.9
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It was 13.48 @ 106.64 at LACR on 92 Octane.

I poured in some 100 Octane to bring it up to 93 Octane and couldn't do any better ET's, (a bit faster trap though) actually did a bit worse...traction was getting more difficult as the evening got colder.
With 93 Octane my best at LACR was
13.505 @ 106.9
OK I'll be gunning for that ET. What was the 1/8th and 60' times?
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Not too bad, but again Terry, you would not have necessarily run a 12.77 if it was a 1/4 mile.

Again, even with you being on 93 Octane, your 1/8th mile trap speeds weren't as fast as my 1/8th mile trap speeds with the PROcede on the old (less powerful) v1.2 and running only 91 Octane (that was 86.6 mph).

It's clear Irwindale has quite a bit MORE traction than Famoso does with th ose excellent 60' and 1/8th mile ET's you got, but your Xede equipped car on 93 Octane isn't pulling as hard as the older v1.2 PROcede on 91 Octane did as the trap speeds bear that out.

That factor you use really isn't scientific enough to know what your outcome would be. There's just too many variables.
You just need to take it to a 1/4 mile track and see what you can do.


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Hi Gang,

Irwindale was a bit of a joke tonight, long waits and no traction, but I managed a new best 1/8th mile of 8.24@85mph, 1.84 60' time. On par for a 12.77 run if only the track was longer.

My car is a non-sport sedan with Xede, res delete, aftermarket rims/tires, and 93 octane.

The car felt pretty good, the Xede is making a lot of power. Now we just need to figure out a way to get a set of slicks on the car, perhaps some 328 rear brakes and 16" rims are in my future?

PS. A friend took a burnout pic. Nice way to break in new tires, no?

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OK I'll be gunning for that ET. What was the 1/8th and 60' times?

It'll be interesting to see how it goes at German Invasion as that will be the level playing field for everyone, since all the runs will be on the same day and on the same track.

On that 13.48 run my 60 ' time was 2.269, and sadly the 1/8th mile computer wasn't working that night in the left lane so I can't give you that.
My best 60 ft time that night at LACR was 2.255, but that run ended in a 13.50x, so I didn't do any better.

Traction really stinks at LACR and was REALLY bad that night.
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Not too bad, but again Terry, you would not have necessarily run a 12.77 if it was a 1/4 mile.

Again, even with you being on 93 Octane, your 1/8th mile trap speeds weren't as fast as my 1/8th mile trap speeds with the PROcede on the old (less powerful) v1.2 and running only 91 Octane (that was 86.6 mph).

It's clear Irwindale has quite a bit MORE traction than Famoso does with th ose excellent 60' and 1/8th mile ET's you got, but your Xede equipped car on 93 Octane isn't pulling as hard as the older v1.2 PROcede on 91 Octane did as the trap speeds bear that out.

That factor you use really isn't scientific enough to know what your outcome would be. There's just too many variables.
You just need to take it to a 1/4 mile track and see what you can do.
The 12.77 is just a ballpark figure. As you know we don't have any 1/4 mile tracks around that equal Irwindale's traction.

At LACR things will slow down .3-.4ths due to altitude and traction, but I think I'll be running 12.99-13.20 there. The good news is we'll have procede cars running along side so we can do a more direct comparo.
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Nice run, Terry!
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awsome run the best ive managed is a 8.8 1/8th mile time on my stock 335
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The 12.77 is just a ballpark figure. As you know we don't have any 1/4 mile tracks around that equal Irwindale's traction.

At LACR things will slow down .3-.4ths due to altitude and traction, but I think I'll be running 12.99-13.20 there. The good news is we'll have procede cars running along side so we can do a more direct comparo.

I'd be amazed if anybody gets 12.99-13.10 at LACR this weekend, unless they are on drags or DR's
There might be a bit more traction this Saturday though then when a few of us went two weeks ago (on a Wednesday).
They'll most likely prep the track A LOT better for German Invasion and the sun will surely warm the track surface more for better launches.

I'm not saying my 13.4's times can't be beat, as in all the times I've gone to LACR that day had the worst traction I've experienced, but I don't think even with better traction people will get much more than .2-.3 seconds better, and probably slower traps.

I'm going to guess, depending on conditions (if traction is at least better than we had the other Wednesday) this Saturday's times will be:
completely STOCK 335i (autos) will run 13.9's @ 100-101 best.
PROcede/AA Xede's (on street tires) will be within a tenth of each other (will totally be a driver's race) with times of:
13.3-13-5's @ 105-107 mph
PROcede/AA Xede's with exhaust (on street tires) will do:
13.1-13.3's @ 107-109 mph

With DR's, exhaust, and PROcede/AA Xede they MIGHT get into the 12.9's but it'll be tough.

If traction sucks as bad as it did two weeks ago add .2 tenths and take away 1 mph to those above times.
If there is a bit of a head wind add another .1 and take away .5 mph from those times on top of that.

I will be there to spectate.
As for the PROcede vs. AA Xede...my prediction:
It will be a driver's race plain and simple.

It's ALWAYS a driver's race with any two cars that are within .2 seconds and 1-1.5 mph of each other. And I think the PROcede and AA Xede fit that bill.
I will however go out on a limb and say that I'll give an VERY slight edge to PROcede v1.4 tunes and a bit more of an edge to v1.45 tunes.
But again, they will be driver skill dependant.
And the fact that everybody will have different tires, different amounts of gas, different grades of gas,different overall weight, etc will induce questions as to which does better, especially if they are VERY close but one has better tires and the driver is 40-50 pounds less in weight.
Rolling runs from 50-120 mph starting in 3rd gear would showcase which truly was putting out more power and almost completely eliminate driver skill.
But weight and gas (some people "cheat" a bit and put in SOME race gas and claim they are on 91 Octane).
So hopefully most everyone puts in some race gas and everybody runs on 93 Octane tune to even things out.

It'll be fun, even to just watch (maybe I can guest drive a car or two )
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I've read a lot of the piggyback posts and have come to the conclution that the AA and Procede are fairly similar performace wise. I'm aware of the harness and the map uploading differences, other than that are they are in the same ball park HP/TQ?? and have the two considered matching vehicles on a dyno? (not trying to create another battle between the two, just looking to by the best product)
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I'd be amazed if anybody gets 12.99-13.10 at LACR this weekend, unless they are on drags or DR's
There might be a bit more traction this Saturday though then when a few of us went two weeks ago (on a Wednesday).
They'll most likely prep the track A LOT better for German Invasion and the sun will surely warm the track surface more for better launches.

I'm not saying my 13.4's times can't be beat, as in all the times I've gone to LACR that day had the worst traction I've experienced, but I don't think even with better traction people will get much more than .2-.3 seconds better, and probably slower traps.

I'm going to guess, depending on conditions (if traction is at least better than we had the other Wednesday) this Saturday's times will be:
completely STOCK 335i (autos) will run 13.9's @ 100-101 best.
PROcede/AA Xede's (on street tires) will be within a tenth of each other (will totally be a driver's race) with times of:
13.3-13-5's @ 105-107 mph
PROcede/AA Xede's with exhaust (on street tires) will do:
13.1-13.3's @ 107-109 mph

With DR's, exhaust, and PROcede/AA Xede they MIGHT get into the 12.9's but it'll be tough.

If traction sucks as bad as it did two weeks ago add .2 tenths and take away 1 mph to those above times.
If there is a bit of a head wind add another .1 and take away .5 mph from those times on top of that.

I will be there to spectate.
As for the PROcede vs. AA Xede...my prediction:
It will be a driver's race plain and simple.

It's ALWAYS a driver's race with any two cars that are within .2 seconds and 1-1.5 mph of each other. And I think the PROcede and AA Xede fit that bill.
I will however go out on a limb and say that I'll give an VERY slight edge to PROcede v1.4 tunes and a bit more of an edge to v1.45 tunes.
But again, they will be driver skill dependant.
And the fact that everybody will have different tires, different amounts of gas, different grades of gas,different overall weight, etc will induce questions as to which does better, especially if they are VERY close but one has better tires and the driver is 40-50 pounds less in weight.
Rolling runs from 50-120 mph starting in 3rd gear would showcase which truly was putting out more power and almost completely eliminate driver skill.
But weight and gas (some people "cheat" a bit and put in SOME race gas and claim they are on 91 Octane).
So hopefully most everyone puts in some race gas and everybody runs on 93 Octane tune to even things out.

It'll be fun, even to just watch (maybe I can guest drive a car or two )
Phew that's a lot of bench racing! I've got Nitto 555Rs (street drag radials), and will put in a couple gallons of 100 octane before heading out. I'm probably 30# heavier than average (200#), buy my rims are probably 30# lighter than average. I don't have a full exhaust, but I have the resonator delete. Hopefully good enough! I hope they prep the track well, that will make all the difference.

I'm sure the procede cars make a little more power, because they run more boost. The AA/xede is around 12psi in the midrange where the procede is closer to 14. They both seem to run around 12psi up top.
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lastnight i ran with a modded Evo. Beat him from a 30mph roll to 85mph by 2 cars. Stopped at a red light and he said he runs 12.9. So im guessing we're running 12.8-12.9 as well.
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lastnight i ran with a modded Evo. Beat him from a 30mph roll to 85mph by 2 cars. Stopped at a red light and he said he runs 12.9. So im guessing we're running 12.8-12.9 as well.
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lastnight i ran with a modded Evo. Beat him from a 30mph roll to 85mph by 2 cars. Stopped at a red light and he said he runs 12.9. So im guessing we're running 12.8-12.9 as well.
Maybe, but that's a hard generalization to make. Evo launches are like rockets but their power once they get moving leaves something to be desired. Theres only so much you can do with AWD and a 4 cylinder.
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Maybe, but that's a hard generalization to make. Evo launches are like rockets but their power once they get moving leaves something to be desired. Theres only so much you can do with AWD and a 4 cylinder.
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And I'd have to say the EVO driver stinks to all h3ll at driving.
For a lightly modded 335i to pull 2 CL's on a modded EVO in a very short 30-85 mph race (takes what 5 seconds) means the EVO driver just sucks or started in a wrong gear.
They aren't too fast once rolling, but surely not so slow as to lose to a chipped 335i by 2 CL's in 5 seconds!

There's no doubt the chipped 335i (PROcede or AA Xede) runs in
the high 12's on a good track at sea level though.
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Phew that's a lot of bench racing! I've got Nitto 555Rs (street drag radials), and will put in a couple gallons of 100 octane before heading out. I'm probably 30# heavier than average (200#), buy my rims are probably 30# lighter than average. I don't have a full exhaust, but I have the resonator delete. Hopefully good enough! I hope they prep the track well, that will make all the difference.

I'm sure the procede cars make a little more power, because they run more boost. The AA/xede is around 12psi in the midrange where the procede is closer to 14. They both seem to run around 12psi up top.

Well, not exactly bench racing, but more predictions.
And as an experienced Drag racer and probably one of the people on these boards who has drag raced the most with a chipped 335i, I think it's fair that I can speak with a bit of experience on the subject.
Bench racing comes from people who don't race or use mag times as their basis for the argument.
anyway, the Drag Radials should help you get a bit more traction, and I forgot you had the resonator delete too. That's good for what 8-10 HP and weight reduction of 20-25 lbs right?
That should help your times a bit.

Again, I'd pretty much rest assured LACR will have prepped the track better this Saturday than they did (or rather probably DIDN'T do) a couple Wednesdays ago.

See you there.
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