E90Post
 


Extreme Power House
 
BMW 3-Series (E90 E92) Forum > BMW E90/E92/E93 3-series General Forums > General E90 Sedan / E91 Wagon / E92 Coupe / E93 Cabrio > The Wagon/Touring (E91). Why?



Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      05-14-2011, 05:00 PM   #23
vjs
New Member
 
Drives: g35
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: ohio

Posts: 13
iTrader: (0)

I looked at the Infiniti EX 35 and it seems that the E91 has more cargo space.

A sport wagon can have more interior room than a SUV/crossover.

When will the E91 no longer be available in the USA? I never see new ones on dealer's lots and they seem to be available only through special order.

I wonder if this will make them more difficult to obtain this summer and if the negotiated price will be higher?
vjs is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      05-14-2011, 08:52 PM   #24
111R
Second Lieutenant
 
111R's Avatar
 
Drives: Lotus
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Atlanta

Posts: 298
iTrader: (0)

I would have bought a 335i touring or even a 3 series diesel wagon, but the 328i was too heavy for the normally aspired engine for my tastes so I went for a 335i E90. I saw an Audi S4 Avant in Munich that looked better than the S4 sedan. Too bad it's not sold here (with a manual please).

People in the US who embrace SUVs and crossovers, yet claim that they can't stand wagons in general probably have a hang-up about the latter being identified with mommies driving them in the 50's through the 70's. I understand why someone might want an SUV for towing a boat or for winter driving, but most folks buy them because even though they really need a wagon or minivan, they think that they look more rugged or cool in a truck. Crossovers are kind of silly, as it's really the same thing, but usually with minivan or car underpinnings.

I would think that most on this forum would prefer an E91 over a crossover due to the lower center of gravity and better handling.
__________________
'11 BMW 335i (Alpine White) M-Sport, Premium, Heated Seats, HK, Ipod adaptor, dealer-installed PPK - Euro Delivery 5/11/2011
'05 Lotus Elise (Arctic Silver) Sport, HT, Stage II, Odyssey PC925
'87 Nissan Pickup (Burgandy) King Cab, 80k miles
'13 Audi A3 TDI (Ibis White) Cold Weather Package, Bluetooth - Wife's car - Delivery 9/12
111R is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      05-14-2011, 10:58 PM   #25
calvintpe
Registered
 
Drives: BMW 2010 E91 320D Touring
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Taiwan

Posts: 4
iTrader: (0)

Now we see more and more E91 in Taiwan and Benz and Audi are selling their wagons more too!
calvintpe is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      05-14-2011, 11:58 PM   #26
double
New Member
 
Drives: 06 325 XiT 6sp
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Central IL.

Posts: 14
iTrader: (0)

You almost wonder with the US too that with the wagons of the 80's and 90's with how nasty they were it just completely turned everyone off and they never came back around. Slowly but surely I think they will....I'm looking for one myself
double is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      05-15-2011, 12:02 AM   #27
Coolieman1220
Banned
 
Drives: 2010 335d
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: New York City

Posts: 1,770
iTrader: (0)

sport wagons are boss!
Coolieman1220 is offline   Trinidad_and_tobago
0
Reply With Quote
      05-15-2011, 12:54 AM   #28
ctuna
Brigadier General
 
Drives: 325xi 06 wagon MT
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Santa Cruz, Ca

Posts: 4,221
iTrader: (0)

A SUV is a wagon on stilts

that doesn't handle to well and tips over easily.
Which also requires you to carry a ladder to attach
anything to the racks.
ctuna is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      05-15-2011, 11:26 AM   #29
Tom K.
Major General
 
Tom K.'s Avatar
 
Drives: '07 328iT, '13 Boxster
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Maryland

Posts: 5,377
iTrader: (0)

Since Americans prefer the bloated SUV over the compact 3, or even the larger 5 wagons, it makes little economic sense for BMW to import them. The curent 3 series will probably be the last one to come to these shores - and it has never been available with multiple engine options like the Euro versions.

As Walt Kelley said years ago, "We have met the enemy - and he is us!"

Tom
Tom K. is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      05-15-2011, 12:07 PM   #30
DMOS
New Member
 
DMOS's Avatar
 
Drives: 2007 BMW 328xiT
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Kingston, Ontario

Posts: 26
iTrader: (0)

Canada is a little more accepting it seems of the wagon culture than the States. Still I'm glad I got mine when I did, finding one with a stick proved difficult and I don't see that becoming any easier. Especially since the F31 is unlikely to come to these shores at all.
DMOS is offline   Canada
0
Reply With Quote
      05-15-2011, 12:30 PM   #31
Saintor
Colonel
 
Saintor's Avatar
 
Drives: E90
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: MTL, Canada

Posts: 2,386
iTrader: (1)

Price is an issue.

A X3 is cheaper than a 328i Xdrive Touring by 10% here. It was the case even when it was not assembled in USA.
__________________
2007 E90 AW 323i Step | Lowered 1.25"/1" | BMW Performance Exhaust | Debadged | Scangauge II | Style 162 18" & 161 17" wheels & rear 15mm spacers

Last edited by Saintor; 05-15-2011 at 12:48 PM.
Saintor is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      05-15-2011, 12:33 PM   #32
HighlandPete
Brigadier General
 
Drives: BMW F11 535i Touring
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Scotland, Highland Region

Posts: 4,462
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by gary88 View Post
Taxes on cars along with fuel prices are higher in Europe. People prefer to have a workhorse that does almost everything rather than having multiple cars to suit their needs. Wagons are so popular because they offer the driving dynamics of a normal sedan along with the added storage space that comes with an SUV, along with better fuel consumption and CO2 emission figures.
About sums up why I use the wagon. For me it is probably one of the best BMW packages out there.

A 6-pot diesel wagon gives performance, economy, cargo capacity, sporty drive and handling, and with the panoramic roof option, as near to an open air/top drive as you can get in one package.

There is strong opinion in Europe/UK that the wagons look better than the sedans as well. Particularly the 5-series models. The E61 is viewed as one of the best looking wagons on the the UK roads.

HighlandPete
HighlandPete is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      05-15-2011, 01:12 PM   #33
Want
Panty
 
Want's Avatar
 
Drives: A Monaco Blue
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Vancouver

Posts: 355
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by 111R View Post
People in the US who embrace SUVs and crossovers, yet claim that they can't stand wagons in general probably have a hang-up about the latter being identified with mommies driving them in the 50's through the 70's. I understand why someone might want an SUV for towing a boat or for winter driving, but most folks buy them because even though they really need a wagon or minivan, they think that they look more rugged or cool in a truck. Crossovers are kind of silly, as it's really the same thing, but usually with minivan or car underpinnings.

I would think that most on this forum would prefer an E91 over a crossover due to the lower center of gravity and better handling.
I think most people on this forum would prefer the x3 over e91.

most people don't need an suv but the x3 and the like are not really SUVs to begin with. People just buy them for the looks and comfort, nothing wrong with that. It's not like an x3 is a proper offroader or has huge towing capabilities anyway.


Quote:
Originally Posted by DMOS View Post
Canada is a little more accepting it seems of the wagon culture than the States. Still I'm glad I got mine when I did, finding one with a stick proved difficult and I don't see that becoming any easier. Especially since the F31 is unlikely to come to these shores at all.
The only e91s I've seen in vancouver were Asian moms, and they looked pretty fob. Don't think Canada is THAT much more accepting.
__________________
mbmbmbmbmbmbmb
Want is offline   Canada
0
Reply With Quote
      05-15-2011, 02:00 PM   #34
TheRox
Colonel
 
TheRox's Avatar
 
Drives: 6mt
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Here and there

Posts: 2,312
iTrader: (2)

Quote:
Originally Posted by coco savage View Post
what i dont get is....wagons arent liked but the crossovers/small suvs are loved...when most of them are just higher sitting wagons
Funny thing, wagons handle like an e90 sedan...whereas SUVs are SUVS


anyone whose driven an X5 or X3 knows its no e90 or 5 series


However, the e91...drives the same as an e90.


It just doesn't look good, and that is the reason why they are avoided here; North Americans aren't as practical as Europeans.
TheRox is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      05-15-2011, 04:38 PM   #35
goldn
Captain
 
goldn's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 E91 328i xDrive 6MT
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Collingwood, Ontario, Canada

Posts: 728
iTrader: (0)

i love my wagon.
it's practical, economical to drive, sporty and reliable.
a diesel option would have been fantastic, but my car will do 550-700km per tank.
i've commented many times that BMW should continue to offer wagon's in NA.
the new 5series is gorgeous and would be my perfect next vehicle for my growing and expanding family.
SUV's are simply too tall not allowing me to use a roof rack through the Winter and the fuel economy is horrible. not to mention they feel numb and don't allow for enthusiastic spirited driving whatsoever.
i'm very happy to own a E91 and hope for many more happy KM's!
goldn is offline   Canada
0
Reply With Quote
      05-15-2011, 07:01 PM   #36
lesha
Lieutenant
 
lesha's Avatar
 
Drives: 2009 - 335 coupe
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Alexandria, VA

Posts: 399
iTrader: (1)

i think it comes down to taste and associations that people have

to me a wagon is in the same family as a minivan and both just scream soccer mom and in turn that forms my taste about which car I like and don't like, wagon can be the most practical car for all I care, but to me it's plain ugly, no offense to people who like them,, maybe I'm closed minded but I could never believe that people get wagons or minivans because they like them, I always thought that it was out of necessity to drive a large family around, but I guess I'm wrong and there are people who do like the look. To me a more appealing choice for a large family is an SUV.
lesha is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      05-15-2011, 08:09 PM   #37
ejheverest
First Lieutenant
 
ejheverest's Avatar
 
Drives: E90 SG 330i
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Mass, NH, Maine, Virginia

Posts: 385
iTrader: (0)

If BMW would just bring a 6 spd 330D Touring to the states, I'd buy one. I guess I'll end up with a VW Jetta Wagon TDI since I would choose the VW over the Subaru Outback.
__________________
SOLD......E90 SG, ColdWeather Pckg, Sport Pckg, Logic7,H R Sports, Rogue Ikon, M sport shift knob/boot
ejheverest is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      05-15-2011, 08:21 PM   #38
bsamoul
Major General
 
bsamoul's Avatar
 
Drives: E90 325i
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Walnut Creek, California

Posts: 7,425
iTrader: (2)

Send a message via AIM to bsamoul
I love wagons. I wish Americans had better views of them and also were more accepting of Diesel cars.
__________________
-Brian
2X 2006 BMW 325i [Electric Red & Mystic Blue] | ZPP | V1 | Rear Fogs | M3 Lip Spoiler | EAS RemoteKey | BMS Powerbox | Projector90 Headlights w/ LED AE | LED plate lights | OEM Blacklines
http://www.tech-shine.com
bsamoul is offline   No_Country
0
Reply With Quote
      05-15-2011, 08:29 PM   #39
Jeller
Lieutenant
 
Drives: 2007 335i E90 ZSP
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Buffalo NY

Posts: 497
iTrader: (5)

Send a message via AIM to Jeller
Wagon lover here:

Avant and 335 make for a nice pair.

Jeller is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      05-15-2011, 09:26 PM   #40
agray1
Private
 
agray1's Avatar
 
Drives: '09 328i
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: SHITCAGO

Posts: 86
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeller View Post
Wagon lover here:

Avant and 335 make for a nice pair.


fine choice sir.. the B7 Avant takes the wagon cake
__________________
35% tint | grocery bag hooks | rear fogs
agray1 is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      05-15-2011, 11:13 PM   #41
DMOS
New Member
 
DMOS's Avatar
 
Drives: 2007 BMW 328xiT
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Kingston, Ontario

Posts: 26
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Want View Post
The only e91s I've seen in vancouver were Asian moms, and they looked pretty fob. Don't think Canada is THAT much more accepting.
There aren't a lot of E91's, but most urban centers have a wide variety of other hatches, think of all the Mazda3 Sport or VW Golf type vehicles you see. In the US, I rarely saw the hatch/wagon version, where here they are probably closer to 1/3 of the sales of that model.

These things aren't just for "soccer moms" either (married, no kids) it's anyone who values better access to their stuff. My seats are more often folded down than in the upright position. Makes it easier to get to the bikes/race/camping/golf/army gear. I never want to fight with accessing my kit through a trunk opening again.
DMOS is offline   Canada
0
Reply With Quote
      05-16-2011, 10:19 AM   #42
coco savage
First Lieutenant
 
coco savage's Avatar
 
Drives: BMW made them
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Central FL

Posts: 336
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheRox View Post
Funny thing, wagons handle like an e90 sedan...whereas SUVs are SUVS


anyone whose driven an X5 or X3 knows its no e90 or 5 series


However, the e91...drives the same as an e90.


It just doesn't look good, and that is the reason why they are avoided here; North Americans aren't as practical as Europeans.
i understand that completely, which is why i think its funny people will choose a suv (besides a bmw one obv) instead of maybe a wagon here in the US. Its almost as if wagons got a bad stigma.

Seems bmw knows this too, with the x1 coming..
__________________
coco savage is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      05-16-2011, 10:28 AM   #43
MisterSkiMask
Lieutenant Colonel
 
Drives: I Can not say
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: you must not know

Posts: 1,940
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by coco savage View Post
i understand that completely, which is why i think its funny people will choose a suv (besides a bmw one obv) instead of maybe a wagon here in the US. Its almost as if wagons got a bad stigma.

Seems bmw knows this too, with the x1 coming..
For many people there are major tax advantages for buying an suv.

The stigma of the wagon is definitely the main reason for people not wanting wagons, but I didn't live through the 'family wagon' years in this country. I think they are cool, especially a wangon that is a sleeper like an ///M or AMG wagon, or CTS-V or RS
MisterSkiMask is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      05-16-2011, 10:34 AM   #44
BenTrovato
Driver
 
BenTrovato's Avatar
 
Drives: e92 335i
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Toronto

Posts: 1,560
iTrader: (4)

Wagons were always ugly. It's only been a decade or so where the styling has been ramped up to the point where the e91 is a stunning machine. It will take some time to reverse the stigma of the 1994 "wagon" in people's minds:

BenTrovato is offline   Canada
0
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:59 PM.




e90post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST