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      07-07-2011, 03:35 AM   #23
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Finally the beast is out

C63 black series coupe

http://www.speedfans.fr/2011/07/excl...ries-devoilee/
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      07-07-2011, 04:48 AM   #24
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An increase of HP to 517+ horses and 477 ft lbs of torque doesn't sound like it's only a cosmetic thing to me, but what do I know?
I have the same M156 motor in my E63. Stock it sits at 507 hp and 465 ft lb torque (US version.) With a Kleemann K3 tune it's potentially up to 565 HP and 507 ft lb torque. The M156 does have more potential (even though it's a NA motor) and especially in its de-tuned version that comes in the C series. The M156 comes tuned by the factory according to platform.

The new C63 coupe with the AMG P31 development package option (with the M159 internals, locking diff, factory ECU tune for 30 more hp) and with aftermarket bolt-ons (intake and headers) and ECU tune, can top this new BS's stock specs. And it will have the MCT, too.

So that's the only reason why I said "mainly cosmetic" since you could conceivably get the new C63 coupe and get to that 517/477 without a huge effort.

But if the chassis is indeed different on the BS, then that would be a bigger differentiating factor. But the new coupe will also have a new and better tuned suspension, so maybe the BS will simply have different sways and stiffer struts. Who knows (yet)...

One of the big things that always seems to get in the way of this sort of model designation is marketing. How do you market the same platform so that it will sell as a seemingly totally different version. In the end is it really that different or just marketed to appear that way. Anyway, we'll have to wait and see.
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this thing looks badass... makes my m3 look like a 10 yr old car... WANT!
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That link stopped working but I found this one that still works:
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/07/06/m...ionably-early/
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this is really cool.
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This is more a competitor towards the GTS then the regular M3. And i bet this thing wont be able to see the GTS anymore after a few corners. GTS PLEASE
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not sure if serious. the interior of that thing is blindingly disgusting. too much shine!!! do not want!!! ahahahah
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this is really cool.
Exatly.
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Whats the price gonna be on this?
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I have the same M156 motor in my E63. Stock it sits at 507 hp and 465 ft lb torque (US version.) With a Kleemann K3 tune it's potentially up to 565 HP and 507 ft lb torque. The M156 does have more potential (even though it's a NA motor) and especially in its de-tuned version that comes in the C series. The M156 comes tuned by the factory according to platform.

The new C63 coupe with the AMG P31 development package option (with the M159 internals, locking diff, factory ECU tune for 30 more hp) and with aftermarket bolt-ons (intake and headers) and ECU tune, can top this new BS's stock specs. And it will have the MCT, too.

So that's the only reason why I said "mainly cosmetic" since you could conceivably get the new C63 coupe and get to that 517/477 without a huge effort.

But if the chassis is indeed different on the BS, then that would be a bigger differentiating factor. But the new coupe will also have a new and better tuned suspension, so maybe the BS will simply have different sways and stiffer struts. Who knows (yet)...

One of the big things that always seems to get in the way of this sort of model designation is marketing. How do you market the same platform so that it will sell as a seemingly totally different version. In the end is it really that different or just marketed to appear that way. Anyway, we'll have to wait and see.

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Just like the other small AMG cars its a fucking waste with only 2 pedals
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Exatly.
Pretty...
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What are the chances that this comes in at under 100k?
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They have their MCT 7-speed. Has a wet start off clutch, not a torque converter like an automatic.

I think this car uses the Dual Clutch transmission from the SLS.
This car will probably have the MCT and not the DCT. The normal coupe already has the MCT, so that is money savings on their end. Whatever tranny it has, hopefully it isn't a manual. Having driven a C230 manual, I can say that they should stick to autos for now. They make a hell of an auto
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Omg.. Not this shit again
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Very nice, but will stick with the M.
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Whats the price gonna be on this?
100k Euros (about $140k USD). So in the US market, I'd guess that this thing will start at the $100k+ mark.

At that price range, it's a GTS competitor and not aimed at the normal M3/C63 buyer.
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It looks bada$$. Can't wait to see it in person..

Honestly-if i needed monster torque-I'd stick with the 550hp Shelby GT500.
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Omg.. Not this shit again
Shooot it looks good.
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Who cares about the Black Series I want to see Merc do a follow on for the CLK DTM, that was a beast.
big +1, possibly my fav. production merc.

The problem I see with this car is I don't think it'll have a very big market. As a DD, the M3/M5 is about as good as you can get. If you have the funds for this car, you're probably able to afford a more civilized DD of your choice in addition to *investing in* a track-built 997.

Track-oriented merc seems a bit of a contradiction, no?
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