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10-03-2012, 07:50 PM | #45 | |
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I will never even consider owning an F30, they are just too damn ugly.
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10-03-2012, 07:56 PM | #46 |
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10-03-2012, 07:56 PM | #47 | |
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E63: 210 points M5: 193 points S6 destroyed in the vehicle category. (Ergonomics, features, fit & finish, etc.) 93 points to E63's 79 & M5's 77. M5 would have won powertrain but lost points for the tranny and fuel economy. E63 won chassis category. 57 to S6's 51 & M5's 50. M5 lost points for steering feel and brake feel. Fun to drive factor: S6, 20; E63, 23; M5, 18. "It isn't about what BMW got wrong, the M5 is a dazzling and beautiful vehicle. It's about what the others are getting so right." |
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10-03-2012, 08:00 PM | #48 |
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10-03-2012, 08:05 PM | #49 |
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To date, the only car I like as much as my E92 335 is the E92 M3. I am not into the new model's looks whatsoever.
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10-03-2012, 08:11 PM | #50 |
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E92 > both
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10-03-2012, 08:49 PM | #51 | |
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10-03-2012, 09:19 PM | #52 |
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Personally, I think the front end of the F30 is fugly compared to the e90. Its a shame too, since the F10 front end looks pretty good, esp in comparison to the E60. I'll see what happens with the F30 LCI.
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10-03-2012, 09:30 PM | #53 | |
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The new car is always on the whole a big leap over the one that came before. I have no doubt that the clever Germans will sort the steering, and the less than lovely front end features are a prime thing to fix at LCI time. I wouldn't buy a new model before then anyway, who wants to be a Beta-tester??
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10-03-2012, 10:03 PM | #54 |
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no s6 came in first! s6, e63, m5. that's what pissed me off most. i can understand someone saying the e63 beats the m5, but for the s6 to beat them both is just weird
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10-03-2012, 10:20 PM | #55 | |
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Had a F30 320i as a loaner. Overall it's a nice driving car, however with each generation of new cars coming out (all automakers) they are becoming less of a drivers car. All new cars are numb and isolated almost video game like. My brother has a e36 M and is way more fun to drive compared to my e90. Hell the e30 325ix we have is still pretty fun to drive. |
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10-03-2012, 11:48 PM | #57 | |
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10-04-2012, 12:04 AM | #58 | |
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10-04-2012, 04:19 AM | #59 |
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EPA ratings are 18 city, 28 highway for her 2011 328i. 23mpg is right smack in the middle which is what I would expect with her daily route of 50:50 mixed driving. N51/2 328s really get pretty bad fuel economy considering the performance level. She drives a little on the aggressive side but nothing extreme. I can coax an additional 1mpg out of the car when I drive it.
As to you getting 27mpg out of an N54 in "mixed" driving, I really doubt it. Your car was rated at 28mpg highway after all (assuming it is an automatic). You either have a factory freak car, hypermile everywhere you go or you are relying on the on board computer to tell you your mpg, which is always wrong in my experience. I determine fuel economy by actually dividing the miles traveled since the last fueling by the gallons it took to fill. Consistently less actual mpg than the car reports. |
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10-04-2012, 08:26 AM | #60 | ||
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Still would have loved the 335i M-Sport I had intended to order, but not enough to justify a 50% price premium. Last edited by geko29; 10-04-2012 at 08:39 AM.. |
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10-04-2012, 10:10 AM | #61 | |
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Everyone here needs to realize the change BMW took when Chris Bangle came in. He permeantly changed BMW AG; E38 to E65, E39 to E60, E36 to E46. E46 to E90 should have not been a shock in hindsight and I subconsciously knew what to expect from the F30 with all the similar design queues between the F01 7, F10 5, and F12 6. Even with the interior, you can't tell me you would not have guessed there would be a fixed nav screen. In a year when Audi surpasses BMW worldwide, it won't be because of BMW failing but Audi succeeding. |
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10-04-2012, 11:01 AM | #62 |
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It's "Jack of all trades, master of none" syndrome. Porsche still has 4 vehicles in their lineup to worry about, that's it. Each one of them beats the sh*t out of the competition. It was the same when BMW had 4 vehicles to worry about (3,5,6,7). It's hard to be the best when you juggle ... oh, who can keep the count ... different platforms and vehicle lineups. However, if it weren't for this, there would be no BMW.
Let me see the hands count who would pay $50k for a killer but entry level 3 series BEFORE ANY options ... nobody ... really,nobody? Yeah, thought so. Oh, by the way, your 2001 E46 might have costed 40k well optioned. That's not exactly the same as 2012 F30 costing 40k.
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10-04-2012, 02:01 PM | #63 |
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I've had both f30 and e90 328i loaners. I can say that I enjoyed the f30 much more more than the e90. Engine feels more peppy due torque with the FI.
As for gas mileage, I think there was something wrong with my loaner. When I picked it up, the average MPG was 24+. After 2 days of driving, it is as below. You think I should take it back and ask them what is wrong with it? |
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10-05-2012, 10:54 AM | #64 |
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Everyone wants to throw in the fact that with each generation people moan and groan which is true but the fact is the E90 was the last true 3er. The E90 did become more soft when compared to its predecessors but the F30 jumped ship. The F30 still has some of that BMW feel in its chassis feel which is not really all that different from the E90 minus some softer bushings and steel replacing aluminum. I think the biggest let down is the steering feel. I bet if BMW included the same hydraulic steering from the E90 we wouldn't be reading those reviews claiming that the E90>F30.
As far as the M5, physics allow engineers to do so much to a big a** car like the F10 so Inside line summed it up...if the F10 M5 was a M7 this would be a glorious, magnificent ///M but it's not a true M5 when compared to its predecessors. They called it boring...
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10-05-2012, 11:06 AM | #65 | |
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