[aus135i]

maybe you are the reason bmw parts are 3x the cost they should be

Maybe im the reason you brought a BMW, becase with the profit they make of people like me, they can keep their R&D up and keep making great cars... MAYBE huh?

Originally Posted by hayx1989

i think you should stfu and gtfo!!! lol
im not going to pay a premium because i drive a bmw...
i will pay for a solid product that will preform and is worth the money

Ok why should I STFU & GTFO? is it becase ASR has a kit for sell and im happy to pay for that kit? or you were just simply copying what i was saying?
one thing for sure is you are not part of the WE i was refering to, and how you spent your $ is no ones matter but your own. (this applies to me too)

[TheTwinz]

Originally Posted by aus135i

Maybe im the reason you brought a BMW, becase with the profit they make of people like me, they can keep their R&D up and keep making great cars... MAYBE huh?



Ok why should I STFU & GTFO? is it becase ASR has a kit for sell and im happy to pay for that kit? or you were just simply copying what i was saying?
one thing for sure is you are not part of the WE i was refering to, and how you spent your $ is no ones matter but your own. (this applies to me too)

You are like every vendors wet dream. I have something you might be interested in, a SOLAR Powered Flashlight made by BMW. I'll sell it to you for special introductory price of $1499. This is the best flashlight in the world, plus its solar powered so no need for batteries. Guaranteed OEM by BMW.

(if you don't get the joke, then oh well).

[Ryan@Motorwerks]

Originally Posted by aus135i

Maybe im the reason you brought a BMW, becase with the profit they make of people like me, they can keep their R&D up and keep making great cars... MAYBE huh?



Ok why should I STFU & GTFO? is it becase ASR has a kit for sell and im happy to pay for that kit? or you were just simply copying what i was saying?
one thing for sure is you are not part of the WE i was refering to, and how you spent your $ is no ones matter but your own. (this applies to me too)

If it goes into R&D that doesn't count as profit genius.

[lamia2super]

your all so stupid why are you fighting over this stupid shit?? why don't you just wait for the part to come out and then talk shit about it. when it comes out we will all know who's right and who's wrong and we will know all the facts about it. talking shit before any thing is out is so stupid.

ASR you don't have to say anything until the kit is released. ignore these idiots

[lauer87]

Originally Posted by lamia2super

ASR you don't have to say anything until the kit is released. ignore these idiots

They shouldn't say anything until the kit is released AND they become a paying sponsor.

[aus135i]

Originally Posted by TheTwinz

You are like every vendors wet dream. I have something you might be interested in, a SOLAR Powered Flashlight made by BMW. I'll sell it to you for special introductory price of $1499. This is the best flashlight in the world, plus its solar powered so no need for batteries. Guaranteed OEM by BMW.

(if you don't get the joke, then oh well).

hahahahah good joke, i get it!

[0002s]

When the kit comes out the free market will decide quickly if the kit has custom turbos and is priced right. Until then, enjoy the concept.

[J.P.]

Originally Posted by 0002s

When the kit comes out the free market will decide quickly if the kit has custom turbos and is priced right. Until then, enjoy the concept.

[asr engineering]

Originally Posted by CATJACK

OMG, for a minute I thought you knew what you were talking about, now I realize that you are a total idiot charlatan (I'm wondering if you even know what that means)... You think I don't know how to read PR vs lbs/min?? REALLY??? You and I both know you are selling people on TOTAL HYPE, and turbos that are not what they say they are. DBB in ANY GT20/GT22 FRAME size range, weather it's a GT22, or what have you, there is no way you guys had Garrett custom build a DBB cart, and you know this, Garrett does not even sell ANY replacement parts for their DBB turbos (anyone who doubts this please call Garrett/Honeywell or one of their REAL distributors http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbob...tributors.html instead you're here spreading your *wisdom* about what you THINK you know about X lb per min = HP level. You know funny thing...compressor maps are given as a *guide*, they never hold true 100%, ANY experienced builder knows that. Example, in the Mitsu community the HT12 that comes from the IHI and dimentionally 1.638 inducer and 2.244 exducer is *supposed to flow* enough for 420/430 awhp is used for a TD04 application, this wheel actually produced 513 AWHP, which by Mr. Simpleton's math here does not equate, but there are MULTIPLE dyno sheets from various individuals and shops that support this fact http://www.dynamicracing.com/custome...cat=189&page=1 the other thing you FAIL to mention is that there is another part of this equation, it's called VE, you ever hear of that?? Obviously not, because I'm sure you have no idea that that even means. VE Volumetric Efficiency so, now you know from this point forward, and for your education, here is a link for you to read to get educated http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volumetric_efficiency In order to properly assess what a turbo is going to do, you will need to first know the VE, and then draw a scope of the demand lines against the map to get a good idea of the compressor efficiency at a specific PR vs load line, and what the motor is going to demand.. but who knows, looks like I have no idea what I'm talking about huh?? Get real my friend, it is YOU who know NOTHING about REAL research and development, sounds like you just call up XYZ company and ask for something that they *think* will work.

I suggest ANYONE looking into ANY turbo upgrade to view this page http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbob...imization.html You will find some VERY interesting reading there in regards to this topic, that ASR is avoiding. Maybe they are avoiding this because they just don't know, but that is just an assumption on my part.

Again, prove me wrong, that's all I ask.

Mr. self proclaimed authority on the subject, who are you to prove wrong?

Wow! Took you a whole two days of research on the internet to come up with a rebuttal? Yeah, you're someone these members should believe or trust.

It's obvious you chose to follow a path that let's everyone further know, your lack of maturity and integrity. As I said before, until you're ready to discuss things in an adult and mature fashion, you will be dis-regarded.

[jpsimon]

did we figure out if this was Down4it yet? sounds like his kind of shenanigans

[asr engineering]

It's obvious it is Down4it, that would explain his number of post or lack there of. Maybe we should just all refer to him as Down4it.

[jpsimon]

He's just bitter because his shop didn't know what they were doing talk about not knowing about "research and development"

[bdkevoIX]

Originally Posted by aus135i

we got $$$$$ hence we drive BMW, so we can afford it and we dont care its missing this spec or that spec...aslong as it can do what it says it can do... we just dont give a $hit abt the rest

p.s why does anyone have to prove YOU wrong???(sure you can ask, but why would anyone care?) who do you think you are?

Lawl,

If you have $$$$$$, you will be driving ferrari, lambo, aston etc, not BMW.

[bdkevoIX]

Originally Posted by asr engineering

Mr. self proclaimed authority on the subject, who are you to prove wrong?

Wow! Took you a whole two days of research on the internet to come up with a rebuttal? Yeah, you're someone these members should believe or trust.

It's obvious you chose to follow a path that let's everyone further know, your lack of maturity and integrity. As I said before, until you're ready to discuss things in an adult and mature fashion, you will be dis-regarded.

You still haven't clearly layed out whether the CHRA is "custom" by garrett or it is just off the shelf CHRA. I don't know why it is so hard to answer that question. Not that I support the other guy's craziness lol

[asr engineering]

Originally Posted by bdkevoIX

You still haven't clearly layed out whether the CHRA is "custom" by garrett or it is just off the shelf CHRA. I don't know why it is so hard to answer that question. Not that I support the other guy's craziness lol

It's not hard to answer. Everyone who doesn't understand, should go back and read all our previous posts. These questions are very repetative. We've stated numerous amounts of times that it is not a shelf stock Garrett CHRA.

[bdkevoIX]

^ Thanks

[Malek@MRF]

Down4it???? LOL

This is the same guy that said he was the head designer for the Mars Rover!!!

GTFOutta here. Hahah.

[Rob@RBTurbo]

I think its just the vagueness of the term "custom" that is driving some people nuts and instead of asking constructive questions they are flying off the handle and seem to be attacking you. As mentioned above, hybrids could be made from Garrett with several off the shelf components to make up a complete centersection that is not considered to be "off the shelf" and now in turn "custom". So in that sense, everyone is right. You have the right to keep whatever you want to proprietary though, so do as you must (ignore, whatever)... but here is what I think they are attempting to ask of you:

1) What compressor wheel are you using? Since Garrett publishes compressor flow maps and they serve much value in evaluating/comparing turbo performance, this is a nice thing to reference. ESPECIALLY now that there is a map for the 10T compressor, it would be nice to overlay your wheel with the original wheel. And if Garrett did take the time to make an actual "custom" compressor wheel for this application, then surely they wouldve made the map showing its respective performance.

2) What turbine wheel are you using? Is it the native wheel that Garrett wouldve used for "x" compressor above or something else you felt would perform better/or just sized based on housing size limitations?

3) Which cartridge? The specifics of this dont mean too much, as youve said already it's a non water cooled DBB assembly made by Garrett.

Personally I feel only the #1 to be the most important to the consumer. Additionally releasing this data would have minimal if any affects to your R&D or other proprietary ramifications.

#2 and #3 for the most part are less important to the consumer and I can definitely see keeping more proprietary as there is much R&D that wouldve went into making the decisions to come to these conclusions.

None of these points have you answered directly in prior posts, and again, you dont have to at all... but I figured Id try to ask them in a "mature and adult fashion" what others have been trying to do in the wrong way.

Originally Posted by asr engineering

It's not hard to answer. Everyone who doesn't understand, should go back and read all our previous posts. These questions are very repetative. We've stated numerous amounts of times that it is not a shelf stock Garrett CHRA.

[MisterSkiMask]

Originally Posted by RobBeck

I think its just the vagueness of the term "custom" that is driving some people nuts and instead of asking constructive questions they are flying off the handle and seem to be attacking you. As mentioned above, hybrids could be made from Garrett with several off the shelf components to make up a complete centersection that is not considered to be "off the shelf" and now in turn "custom". So in that sense, everyone is right. You have the right to keep whatever you want to proprietary though, so do as you must (ignore, whatever)... but here is what I think they are attempting to ask of you:

1) What compressor wheel are you using? Since Garrett publishes compressor flow maps and they serve much value in evaluating/comparing turbo performance, this is a nice thing to reference. ESPECIALLY now that there is a map for the 10T compressor, it would be nice to overlay your wheel with the original wheel. And if Garrett did take the time to make an actual "custom" compressor wheel for this application, then surely they wouldve made the map showing its respective performance.

2) What turbine wheel are you using? Is it the native wheel that Garrett wouldve used for "x" compressor above or something else you felt would perform better/or just sized based on housing size limitations?

3) Which cartridge? The specifics of this dont mean too much, as youve said already it's a non water cooled DBB assembly made by Garrett.

Personally I feel only the #1 to be the most important to the consumer. Additionally releasing this data would have minimal if any affects to your R&D or other proprietary ramifications.

#2 and #3 for the most part are less important to the consumer and I can definitely see keeping more proprietary as there is much R&D that wouldve went into making the decisions to come to these conclusions.

None of these points have you answered directly in prior posts, and again, you dont have to at all... but I figured Id try to ask them in a "mature and adult fashion" what others have been trying to do in the wrong way.

Why should they make this information public, especially prior to the release of their kit?

[Rob@RBTurbo]

#1 - As far as I can see they have released them.
a) they have fabricated a set start to finish.
b) they have installed them.
c) they have dyno tuned them.
d) they have road tested them for many miles.
e) they have said to call them for more details (see f below).
f) they have several orders placed already (shops and private).
g) they have several sets actively being worked/assembled.
h) they have documented all said events on this forum.

#2 - Reasons for making the Compressor public are things I had listed above (compressor performance capability vs. stock, etc). Additionally they have made claims that state their turbos "flow double the airflow volume of the stock turbos", and having the compressor flow map would definitely substantiate this as well.

[MisterSkiMask]

They should back up any and all claims that they make, beyond that it is up to them to give more info or not.

I for one would be concerned about durability and reliability, things that are not popular to discuss on this forum.

[crazya_22]

Originally Posted by RobBeck

None of these points have you answered directly in prior posts, and again, you dont have to at all... but I figured Id try to ask them in a "mature and adult fashion" what others have been trying to do in the wrong way.

I think you are making the same point as he is ski mask, they do no have to answer but there are questions.

Can't we all just get along?... Of course not, what was I thinking.