[PKL]

Originally Posted by MPBK

I bet it will be free next year.

Zero chance of that.

[///M Rakete]

Originally Posted by PKL

Zero chance of that.

In fact it supposedly won't be available after 2011.

[MPBK]

Originally Posted by ///M Rakete

In fact it supposedly won't be available after 2011.

source/link?

[///M Rakete]

Originally Posted by MPBK

source/link?

BMW's own press release...

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=553916

[Professor///M]

Originally Posted by ILoveChess100

Out of curiosity, what does that particular tune do to gas mileage?

No change, outside of the difference in how aggressive you are with the gas pedal.

I seem to get the same average 28-32MPG instant coasting on a flat surface with cruise control in 6th gear, sometimes even in 5th

[MPBK]

Originally Posted by ///M Rakete

BMW's own press release...

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=553916

Sorry. I was thinking about the 135i. That car will continue to be available next year, yes?
If so, I bet the N55 engine in that car will come from factory with this patch, for free.

[FirstBMWLA]

Speaking of. What happened to the group buy threads from cxracing for their kits with hoses etc. Those posts seem to be gone now

[ABerry]

is it true the N55 is missing a turbo?

[PKL]

Originally Posted by MPBK

Sorry. I was thinking about the 135i. That car will continue to be available next year, yes?
If so, I bet the N55 engine in that car will come from factory with this patch, for free.

I'm sorry but why do you think BMW will give something away for free that they charged customers $1,000+ for less than 12 months prior?

Can you explain to me when they have ever done that in the past?

[MPBK]

Originally Posted by PKL

I'm sorry but why do you think BMW will give something away for free that they charged customers $1,000+ for less than 12 months prior?

Can you explain to me when they have ever done that in the past?

Are you serious?
You must be either young of age or new to BMW.
They charged me $1000+ for xenon lights back in 2000. It's standard issue now.
Same for sunroofs, power seats, KH audio, USB port, etc, etc. All chargeable options.
Why? Competition, technology update, etc.
First of all, a company that claims to be technology-savvy has nothing to gain from intentionally running their engines at less than optimal point, when a simple software update can make it produce 20 more hp with same fuel economy and emissions.
Second, they can claim 320hp in their brochures, instead of only 300hp. If they make an extra sale based on that claim, they stand to make a lot more profit than the $600 they are charging today. Isn't that more than enough reason?

Actually this has been a trend in the car industry for quite a while now. Not just BMW.
I still remember when back window defogging (the resistance strips built into the glass) was a charged option.

[PKL]

Originally Posted by MPBK

Are you serious?
You must be either young of age or new to BMW.
They charged me $1000+ for xenon lights back in 2000. It's standard issue now.
Same for sunroofs, power seats, KH audio, USB port, etc, etc. All chargeable options.
Why? Competition, technology update, etc.
First of all, a company that claims to be technology-savvy has nothing to gain from intentionally running their engines at less than optimal point, when a simple software update can make it produce 20 more hp with same fuel economy and emissions.
Second, they can claim 320hp in their brochures, instead of only 300hp. If they make an extra sale based on that claim, they stand to make a lot more profit than the $600 they are charging today. Isn't that more than enough reason?

Actually this has been a trend in the car industry for quite a while now. Not just BMW.
I still remember when back window defogging (the resistance strips built into the glass) was a charged option.

I don't think we are talking about the same thing at all my friend.

This is a BMW Performance upgrade.

Saying that in the year 2000 BMW charged for sunroofs, and now they don't, could not be more irrelevant.

Bet you $100 BMW will never offer this "for free".

If what you are implying is in future model years the car will be rated with 320 hp instead of 300, I could believe that.

But it's not because they added the Performance Edition tune to the car "for free". It's because they changed the way they tuned the engine from the get go.

Maybe we are arguing over language

[MPBK]

Originally Posted by PKL

I don't think we are talking about the same thing at all my friend.

This is a BMW Performance upgrade.

Saying that in the year 2000 BMW charged for sunroofs, and now they don't, could not be more irrelevant.

Bet you $100 BMW will never offer this "for free".

If what you are implying is in future model years the car will be rated with 320 hp instead of 300, I could believe that.

But it's not because they added the Performance Edition tune to the car "for free". It's because they changed the way they tuned the engine from the get go.

Maybe we are arguing over language

Why is it irrelevant? You asked when BMW gave things for free when they can charge for.
If they gave hardware, which costs them something to produce, for free, why wouldn't they give software, which costs them zero to produce (once it's already developed)?

To help determine if we're splitting hairs, what is the difference in your view of this so called Performance Edition "tune" and a "tune from the get go", if such a thing even exist?
One thing must remain constant though... we're talking about the N55 engine.
Obviously, if they change the engine, they can claim any numbers they want. Agreed?

[PKL]

Originally Posted by MPBK

Why is it irrelevant? You asked when BMW gave things for free when they can charge for.
If they gave hardware, which costs them something to produce, for free, why wouldn't they give software, which costs them zero to produce (once it's already developed)?

To help determine if we're splitting hairs, what is the difference in your view of this so called Performance Edition "tune" and a "tune from the get go", if such a thing even exist?
One thing must remain constant though... we're talking about the N55 engine.
Obviously, if they change the engine, they can claim any numbers they want. Agreed?

Here's the difference: Yes it is not surprising over the course of 5-10 years a sunroof became free.

BTW, BMW still charges for a sunroof on a brand new M3 sedan...

The N55 obviously already has a "tune". Has an ECU map for the turbo. The Performance Edition tune is either a piggyback, or a different map completely. Either way, it is changing the way the car came from the factory.

Frankly when you first mentioned the tune being "free" you made it sound like anyone with a 335i could just go into the dealer and have their engine re-mapped, for free. If that IS what you are implying, I completely disagree with that.

If what you ARE saying is the N55 will just start to come from the factory with 320hp instead of 300hp, I could possibly believe that. But it won't be because they are offering the Performance Tune for free. It's because that is how the ECU is now mapped from the factory.

[MPBK]

Originally Posted by PKL

Here's the difference: Yes it is not surprising over the course of 5-10 years a sunroof became free.

BTW, BMW still charges for a sunroof on a brand new M3 sedan...

The N55 obviously already has a "tune". Has an ECU map for the turbo. The Performance Edition tune is either a piggyback, or a different map completely. Either way, it is changing the way the car came from the factory.

Frankly when you first mentioned the tune being "free" you made it sound like anyone with a 335i could just go into the dealer and have their engine re-mapped, for free. If that IS what you are implying, I completely disagree with that.

If what you ARE saying is the N55 will just start to come from the factory with 320hp instead of 300hp, I could possibly believe that. But it won't be because they are offering the Performance Tune for free. It's because that is how the ECU is now mapped from the factory.

In my hardware examples no one would walk into a dealership after they had purchased the car and ask for the item for free because it's now included in the new models. Just not a reasonable thing to even entertain. It's BMW who included the item for free in newer models as a way to stay competitive.
This "tune" is no different.

They can call it whatever they want, but that's what I'm talking about.

[PKL]

Gotcha. And like I said they still have tha audacity to charge someone for a sunroof on an E90 M3

[335BBS]

Originally Posted by PKL

Here's the difference: Yes it is not surprising over the course of 5-10 years a sunroof became free.

BTW, BMW still charges for a sunroof on a brand new M3 sedan...

The N55 obviously already has a "tune". Has an ECU map for the turbo. The Performance Edition tune is either a piggyback, or a different map completely. Either way, it is changing the way the car came from the factory.

Frankly when you first mentioned the tune being "free" you made it sound like anyone with a 335i could just go into the dealer and have their engine re-mapped, for free. If that IS what you are implying, I completely disagree with that.

If what you ARE saying is the N55 will just start to come from the factory with 320hp instead of 300hp, I could possibly believe that. But it won't be because they are offering the Performance Tune for free. It's because that is how the ECU is now mapped from the factory.

I agree. End of model cars ALWAYS have formally optional equipment as standard. The 335is is a 335 with the performance kit. They are using up parts before new model hits. Every manufacturer does it.

[PKL]

Originally Posted by Leaker

The 335is is a 335 with the performance kit. They are using up parts before new model hits. Every manufacturer does it.

Not really. The 335i comes with the N55 engine and the 335is comes with the N54.

It's not just the same engine with a different tune.

[BRAISKI]

Very good review, I am thinking about this...

[335BBS]

Originally Posted by PKL

Not really. The 335i comes with the N55 engine and the 335is comes with the N54.

It's not just the same engine with a different tune.

My 09 has N54 I believe and 335is is that engine with performance kit I believe....or am I incorrect? N55 is in 2011 335?

[BRAISKI]

Originally Posted by Leaker

My 09 has N54 I believe and 335is is that engine with performance kit I believe....or am I incorrect? N55 is in 2011 335?

The 335is has the N54 with updated SW (not sure if the boost is increased) and Performance Exhaust, along with the badges

The 2011 335s are N55

[111R]

Perhaps once all of the 'early adopters' of this upgrade have been taken care of, BMW might offer it at a cheaper price. Look at computer hardware as an example. Once BMW has paid for the development costs, they might figure that it's good to get something for a 2nd wave of upgrades than nothing from customers that wouldn't pay the full amount.

[PKL]

Originally Posted by 111R

Perhaps once all of the 'early adopters' of this upgrade have been taken care of, BMW might offer it at a cheaper price. Look at computer hardware as an example. Once BMW has paid for the development costs, they might figure that it's good to get something for a 2nd wave of upgrades than nothing from customers that wouldn't pay the full amount.

Again, point to me an example in the past where BMW has said "now that the first 100 suckers paid way too much for this, we're going to start offering it to the rest of you at 40% off!"

Not.going.to.happen.