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      11-28-2007, 08:00 AM   #23
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Thanks very interesting.
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      11-28-2007, 08:06 AM   #24
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nice job guys! thanks for taking the time to post a review/video very interesting results.
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2 days before Terry got together for the video with Walked U, he did some testing at sea level. On his Vbox, he got a 115mph run. At that same place, next night (fully adapted) I ran 3 runs over 113mph (which I posted the graphs on). My best run of 113.2 was only 1.8mph slower than Terry's best. Additionally, my Gtech tends to read a .4mph or so slower than the Vbox. Other than the JB2R and 19" Generals, my car is TOTALLY stock. So considering Terry has exhaust cutouts, and a lighter car than mine, +1.8mph seems right on the money. So unless he modded his car differently in just the 2 days since he tested at sea level, I don't see anything out of the ordinary. Maybe I can convince Jon Martin to come down here, so we can instrument his car, and run it against mine. That would be a great confirmation. Driver72 and I may be testing the 1.47 vs JB2R this weekend. Also, WalkedU needs to go to the track to see how fast that thing really is! Also, I doubt there is anything special about Terry's JB2R unit. I mean, it was already documented where his boost was during the run. That would really be the only way to cheat. He can't advance the timing any more than the factory ECU is running. And I don't think he had a nitrous tank, lol.

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      11-28-2007, 08:23 AM   #26
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Correct. You can run PROcede v2 on 91 or 93 octane pump gas; adding race gas and increasing your octane will only increase v2's power.
Does this mean that the PROcede has its own knock adaptation? Is this why we can run 91-93 octane?
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      11-28-2007, 08:26 AM   #27
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Does this mean that the PROcede has its own knock adaptation? Is this why we can run 91-93 octane?
Yes, it pulls timing + Shiv is working hard to ensure that engine knock does not occur in any situation at any rpm.
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2 days before Terry got together for the video with Walked U, he did some testing at sea level. On his Vbox, he got a 115mph run. At that same place, next night (fully adapted) I ran 3 runs over 113mph (which I posted the graphs on). My best run of 113.2 was only 1.8mph faster than Terry's best. Additionally, my Gtech tends to read a .4mph or so slower than the Vbox. Other than the JB2R and 19" Generals, my car is TOTALLY stock. So considering Terry has exhaust cutouts, and a lighter car than mine, +1.8mph seems right on the money. So unless he modded his car differently in just the 2 days since he tested at sea level, I don't see anything out of the ordinary. Maybe I can convince Jon Martin to come down here, so we can instrument his car, and run it against mine. That would be a great confirmation. Driver72 and I may be testing the 1.47 vs JB2R this weekend. Also, WalkedU needs to go to the track to see how fast that thing really is!
Wouldn't a JB2 vs. 1.47 be more of a comparison. Are the boost levels different on the 1.47 and JB2R?
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      11-28-2007, 09:40 AM   #29
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thanks for the video
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      11-28-2007, 09:47 AM   #30
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i'm running V2 with 91 octane w/o problems.

I think the win has to do with the AUTO vs 6MT trannies as well as the weight...
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      11-28-2007, 09:48 AM   #31
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100lbs takes about .1 off you 0-60 time and almost doubles that in the 1/4 miles time adding .2 to that so 150lbs is a pretty damn big difference in weight
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Wish I could see the video at work. Im just trying to understand what happened through all the responses.
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      11-28-2007, 09:52 AM   #33
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Now for a real test, swap the tunes in the two cars -- i.e., put the JB2R on walkedU's, and the PROcede on JonMartin's. Just have to trust JonMartin not to run away with it...
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Sherwin and Jon.

Hey guys good to see you met up again.

I have to say, since I was in Sherwin's car last week with all the runs, Sherwin would pull 3-4 CL's on Jon when Jon was on v1.47 and on only 93 Octane (that was with equal weight in the cars).
It appears in this video with Jon on JB2R that you are still pulling 3-4 CL's
So too be honest, it doesn't seem like the JB2R on 98 Octane did much better than the v1.47 did on 93 Octane against Sherwin. That's interesting.

Now I know you both had driver and one passenger.
Who were the passengers (your gf's again?)

Jon weighs probably 90-100 lbs heavier than Sherwin.
With passengers Jon could of been carrying as much as 150+ lbs more in his car.

That would be good for 1 CL but still.
Even if you give him 1.5 CL's for that weight, Sherwin would of still beat him by 2-2.5 CL's everytime.

Nice work guys.

If I ever get my v2 Hotrod182 and I will be testing v2 vs JB2R (him on 96 Octane me on 93 Octane, but still on the 91 Octane v2 default settings).

Our cars are both autos, both have CSL reps and General tires. We both weigh very close in weight.
I have a coupe, he has a sedan, so I'm going to show up with a couple gallons more gas than him so weight is dead even.
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Now for a real test, swap the tunes in the two cars -- i.e., put the JB2R on walkedU's, and the PROcede on JonMartin's. Just have to trust JonMartin not to run away with it...

That would be a good test!!
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      11-28-2007, 09:57 AM   #36
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100lbs takes about .1 off you 0-60 time and almost doubles that in the 1/4 miles time adding .2 to that so 150lbs is a pretty damn big difference in weight

Well, kind of.
Too be honest, in a rolling contest, 100-150 lbs means something that's for sure, but not as much as it does from a dig.
It's a lot harder and take more power to get more mass rolling, but once rolling, weight doesn't affect it as much.

That's why I said in my post above, that if Jon had 150 lbs more weight in his car it's probably worth 1 CL at best.
But for arguement sake, as I stated, even if you gave him a full 1.5 CL for the extra 150 lbs, he still would of lost by a couple CL's every time.
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      11-28-2007, 10:14 AM   #37
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Downpipes and FMIC showing there worth...
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Now for a real test, swap the tunes in the two cars -- i.e., put the JB2R on walkedU's, and the PROcede on JonMartin's. Just have to trust JonMartin not to run away with it...
Ding Ding Ding,,,,,,,,

That would be a winner.

Or should I say we have a winner.
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Downpipes and FMIC showing there worth...
They were on during Terry's run with WalkedU too though.
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      11-28-2007, 10:45 AM   #41
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V2 to JB2R

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I want to see Walked_U's car on an actual drag strip. That is pretty impressive!
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      11-28-2007, 11:00 AM   #43
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Yup the runs were fun... Juicebox is pretty impressive I must say I would recommend it before some of the other tunes. I've ran the JB2R tune since friday and after it adapted it was FAST.Right after I got it from Terry I installed it that night (Thanksgiving) with no problems and had no Limps or CEL's. It did much better then I would have thought.I would say it's as good as my V1.47 .Which makes sense powerwise.
you ran R on 93 Oct? If you did than you are one brave soul
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you ran R on 93 Oct?
both were on 98, says it on the video
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