[Walked U]

Originally Posted by jworms

if you go on the 15th i might try to tag along... must get DRs

Ya you know to go John, should be fun

[Terry335]

Originally Posted by 5sokol335icoupe

AWESOME stuff. customer vs customer is the only way to go... was Terrys car on NOS or something!!!
seems like the dyno's are proving themselves on the street. PROcede FWIW!!!!

lol my car is pretty simple JB2R, exhaust, air filter, and the boys all checked under the hood after our runs.

I guess one main difference is the auto. I know Driver72 & Jon raced (both on procede 1.47, ~93 octane), only real difference being auto. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think Driver72 pulled 1.5-2 cars on him? So perhaps the auto is the difference maker.

I think we'll get a better feeling after the Florida guys run Friday. We can compare trap speeds, etc.

[Walked U]

Originally Posted by fedinand

He hasn't raced any other cars with V2.02 yet (unless he has raced Leftcoastman or Eugen) - he did pull a couple carlengths on V2.01 cars though.

Yup exactly. Thanks for the clarifications

[Walked U]

Originally Posted by Terry335

Nah he's raced a few.

Naw Abtek was on 2.0.1 when we raced.

[Driver72]

Shiv ship me my v2 and the v2.02 software (as of 6 weeks ago I was #126 in line, I think you have shipped about or more than 100 in the last 6 weeks right? I should be soon right? Please!)

HotRod 182 and me could do the most closely matched comparo between v2.02 and JB2R

We both have auto 335i's (he has a sedan, I have a coupe)
We both have 19" CSL reps.
We both have General tires in the same size.
We weigh roughly the same weight (he's about 5-8 lbs heavier).

Therefore, if I had 3-4 gallons more gas in my car, we'd essentailly have a perfectly even weight.

I promise I'll video it.

I also agree with Terry on the point, JonMartin (with the JB2R in) should run ABTek818 (Adam).

They both have manual coupes.
Both have catback exhausts on.
Both have 19" wheels.
Both are lowered.
Both weigh about the same.

Then with HotRod and my results and Adam's and Jon's we'd have equally compared auto vs auto and manual vs manual with the JB2R and v2.02

[OC Guy]

I swear Sherwin (Walked U) lives a 1/4 mile at a time.

[Walked U]

Originally Posted by OC 335i

I swear Sherwin (Walked U) lives a 1/4 mile at a time.

HAHAHAHA, only on the weekdays.

Hit me up today lets get some food.

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by Driver72

Shiv ship me my v2 and the v2.02 software (as of 6 weeks ago I was #126 in line, I think you have shipped about or more than 100 in the last 6 weeks right? I should be soon right? Please!)

HotRod 182 and me could do the most closely matched comparo between v2.02 and JB2R

We both have auto 335i's (he has a sedan, I have a coupe)
We both have 19" CSL reps.
We both have General tires in the same size.
We weigh roughly the same weight (he's about 5-8 lbs heavier).

Therefore, if I had 3-4 gallons more gas in my car, we'd essentailly have a perfectly even weight.

I promise I'll video it.

I also agree with Terry on the point, JonMartin (with the JB2R in) should run ABTek818 (Adam).

They both have manual coupes.
Both have catback exhausts on.
Both have 19" wheels.
Both are lowered.
Both weigh about the same.

Then with HotRod and my results and Adam's and Jon's we'd have equally compared auto vs auto and manual vs manual with the JB2R and v2.02

Unless i'm mistaken, Abtek is running v2.0.1.

Shiv

[Terry335]

Originally Posted by Walked U

Naw Abtek was on 2.0.1 when we raced.

Ah that's right.. well we'll have to get him to match up with Jon to get a real apples to apples comparo. I think they both have just the tunes, exhaust, and rims. Both 6spd, etc.

[Driver72]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Unless i'm mistaken, Abtek is running v2.0.1.

Shiv

I think you are right.

But aren't you releasing v2.02 really soon?
If so, and if I get mine REALLY soon, we can all do the comparos.

[Walked U]

Originally Posted by Terry335

Ah that's right.. well we'll have to get him to match up with Jon to get a real apples to apples comparo. I think they both have just the tunes, exhaust, and rims. Both 6spd, etc.

Ya those would be good apples to apple comparo. I should be hitting up the track soon with Drew and all the guys. I dont think ill get any abnormaly fast results compared to other 2.0.2 guys.

[OC Guy]

Shiv if you ship me a v2 you'll have a factory freak. Ask Sherwin.

Sherwin, maybe on food, yes on boba. haha

[Jonmartin]

Originally Posted by sflgator

Great runs and videos guys!!

Jon -- you praise and recommend the JB2R, but you had the PROcede v1.47 and were waiting for v2. From these videos, it appears that Walked U walked you in a similar fashion as he did when you were running v1.47. Does this mean you're sticking w/ the JB2 (obviously you wouldn't run the (R) race gas switch w/ race gas all the time on a daily basis, so you'd have to revert back to the lower power JB2 on pump gas) or are you still waiting for PROcede v2 (to reinstall PROcede when you get v2)????

Ya well I don't plan on selling the Procede I'm just waiting on V2 the thing is I've knocked the JB2 without trying it first, so now I have and I have to swallow my words it's pretty good for the $$.

[Driver72]

Originally Posted by Terry335

lol my car is pretty simple JB2R, exhaust, air filter, and the boys all checked under the hood after our runs.

I guess one main difference is the auto. I know Driver72 & Jon raced (both on procede 1.47, ~93 octane), only real difference being auto. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think Driver72 pulled 1.5-2 cars on him? So perhaps the auto is the difference maker.

I think we'll get a better feeling after the Florida guys run Friday. We can compare trap speeds, etc.

That is correct.
I don't know if I was a full 2 CL's in front of him (it's hard to tell how far in front you are, when you are the front car).
But again he had a decent amount more weight in his car than me 175 lbs, but has a catback exhaust that I don't have.

[Kbueno]

Ha, you guys are funny. I know it's fun racing head to head, but why not take
1 car and switch between V2 and JB2R? (or as someone else mentioned-swap the product on 2 cars and compare that way). Do some 1/4 mile runs at a track during similar weather/track conditions.

[Walked U]

Originally Posted by OC 335i

Shiv if you ship me a v2 you'll have a factory freak. Ask Sherwin.

Sherwin, maybe on food, yes on boba. haha

Hahahaha

Ok ill hit you up later.

[astris]

Originally Posted by DLSJ5

Interesting, while cars will vary of course, this is a more "objective" comparo as Terry's car was ALOT faster than Jon's OTS JBR2. Good stuff Sher as always Brotha.

Yep, off the shelf on a customer's car is key.

[Jonmartin]

Originally Posted by Vikingus

you ran R on 93 Oct? If you did than you are one brave soul

where did u get that idea??? the video says 98 octane.

[e90AW335i]

Originally Posted by Jonmartin

where did u get that idea??? the video says 98 octane.

Some people don't watch the video but like to comment....

[leftcoastman]

Originally Posted by Terry335

If one looks at the data Mr. 5 presented, including boost curves, any reasonable person will conclude the downpipes were worth 4-8rwhp all else being equal.

It just so happens I installed a set on my car last night (worst.install.ever), and I'll be hitting the track Friday (weather permitting) to see what I get.

Terry, arguing with you is as exasperating as it has always been.

The conclusive relevant data, peak torque and peak HP, is there. The HP and torque data clearly shows that the DP did not help and if anything, hurts a car with PROcede, based on shiv's maps. I believe so and the one performing the test believes so.

Yet you still try to ignore the conclusive peak HP and the peak torque and try to infer an opposite conclusion based on other, non-conclusive data.

Your argument is like saying: John made more money last year than Mike as evidenced by their tax returns, but because Mike has a better education, any reasonable person could see that Mike makes more money. Ignoring the result to argue based on contributing factors.

But I can see why you're pissed. I'll give you this win. Have a nice one!

[MrRipfrog]

I will link up with you guys sometime when I get V2 in. I am completely stock except for the Procede. I think that will really show what the "tune only" does vs others with mods. Might be a good baseline comparison and what the extra mods actually do for a car.

Don't know if you boys remember, but I was part of the LA dyno day with shiv and I was the one where he put a few gallons of race gas into my tank as my car was running lower HP than everyone else.

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by Dr_Dirt

Because JB2R (race mode) can only be run with 98 octane, the standard map on Procede 2.02 is supposed to work with 93 octane so it really should perform the same as it did in this video.
My question is does procede need 98 octane to stand up to the JB2R ?
I always thought that one of the selling points of the Procede V2 was that it didn't need the race gas to have more power than JB2R (that needs race gas)

v2.0.2, running pump gas, should make 350-360whp. I think Terry is only claiming around 340whp on a race gas mix with his JB2R.

If you ran that same v2.0.2 on a race gas mix (as Walked U and Johnmartin) have done, it will still pick up another 10-15whp. This would give the v2.0.2 an even greater advantage. We're taking 20-35whp. Maybe more. Hence the video results.

Now if you run a race gas version of v2.0.2, things will start to get really silly. Hence my 116.8 trap speed.

Shiv