My Summers took on snow Pretty Well

Dr. G · 12-13-2010, 01:55 AM

So today morning I saw a bunch of snow outside for the first time and since roads were totally empty I decided to take my car out on summer tires to see how they do. (Before everyone gets crazy, I have winter tires coming in, just thought I'd do an experiment to see how the summers perform in snowy conditions)

THE TIRES:
Barum Bravuris 2 225/40/18 - 255/35/18

To my surprise my tires had absolutely no problem taking on the snow at all. They spun a tiny bit to get upto speed, but it was no issue and the turning was just fine. Did some brake tests on an empty road and they did pretty decent. I was really surprised as I expected to do a lot worse and be flying all over the place.

A buddy of mine got stuck on stock RFT's so I decided to take my car to the exact same place to test it out and I didn't even get a traction light I just ripped right on through. I was very impressed by this since they were just summer tires, can't wait to get my winter tires on and see how they perform in snow.

vantage_coupe · 12-13-2010, 02:01 AM

Which winters did you pick up?

Dr. G · 12-13-2010, 02:07 AM

I'm sitting on tirerack right now actually trying to make a last minute decision.

I want the dunlop 3d's but I also want to mount the winter tires on my OEM wheels so I can buy a new set of wheels for summer. Unfortunately, they don't come in the right sizes for my 18 inch wheels so I would have to get a set of 17" wheels from tirerack and I don't really like any of the wheels.

Option 2 is the blizzak WS series, this way I can mount them on my OEM wheels, but I've heard about them wearing pretty fast and I don't think a full on winter tire is really required for GTA winter driving.

I'm sitting here going back and forth between options, just waiting to pull the trigger.

vantage_coupe · 12-13-2010, 02:14 AM

I'm riding on rial salernos....great looking 17 inch wheel. I would recommend the dunlop 3Ds over the WS Blizzaks but I guess you'll have to sort out your rim decision first.

WWONG · 12-13-2010, 02:28 AM

My question is WHAT THE HELL IS A BARUM BRAVURIS?! And what about the other guy with Rial Salernos? WHAT ARE YOU GUYS BUYING?!

Dr. G · 12-13-2010, 02:33 AM

Barum is made by continental and sold primarily in Germany from what I'm told. They are highly recommended by something called ADAC over in Germany and were put onto my 335 to replace the RFT's.

If I go with the Dunlops I will be getting the salerno's most likely, do you have any pics of them mounted?

John 070 · 12-13-2010, 04:28 AM

I hope you don't draw any premature conclusions from this entirely unscientific test, as if it's a home version of mythbusters. It's like saying, "I placed my hand on the stove while the gas burner was lit and set to 16,000 btus, but before anyone says anything, I had an assistant ready to turn it off and the burn center was on hold." It only took 4 min. for the paramedics to arrive at my house--IMPRESSED.

Dr. G · 12-13-2010, 04:33 AM

Not drawing any conclusions at all, just did it for some fun, thought I would go out and see for myself how it is to drive in snow on summer tires. I obviously am not going to do this again I just did it one time until my winter tires come in. First snowfall my 335 has seen and I thought I would go out and see how bad it really is on summers.

EDIT: And for those who think I'm crazy for doing it, I did it on a road that sees only one car a day..... my car

be1ieve1111 · 12-13-2010, 07:09 AM

I'm not sure if you get the same Potenza summer ones that we do. But I had a very bad experience with them in snow. On the highway I couldn't go faster than 20, and the couldn't even get up the off ramp which was barely at an incline of a mere 10-15 degrees. It just spun out. It took me 30 minutes to get up the 1/4 mile ramp. Ordered winter setup right after.

18x8.5 Black Painted ASA GT4 on 225/40R18 Bridgestone Blizzak WS60 tires. No performance whatsoever. You have to be light on the gas or you'll just spin. They're ok for a Chicago winter.

Total came out to $1454 at Tire Rack with pick up at the Indiana Warehouse.

PICS
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=452318

Dr. G · 12-13-2010, 07:13 AM

Yeah I seen your thread before. Do you feel that the ws-60 wear down reallly fast on dry pavement? I want to stick with 18's but I also really want the dunlop wintersports, I can't decide which way to go and it's the only reason I haven't ordered yet.

be1ieve1111 · 12-13-2010, 07:27 AM

I suggest not getting the WS and go for the LM. They're horrible on dry/wet pavement I get nothing but wheelspin in WOT even if I gun it at like 70 on a nice straight dry stretch. The first 3 weeks it was nothing but dry/wet pavement but they look just like they did since day 1.

TheRox · 12-13-2010, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by vantage_coupe

I'm riding on rial salernos....great looking 17 inch wheel. I would recommend the dunlop 3Ds over the WS Blizzaks but I guess you'll have to sort out your rim decision first.

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MyE92 · 12-13-2010, 10:43 AM

Read my comments on my thread about "WS-70" I was in the same boat as you late last night, and I pulled the trigger and went with the Dunlops. I know Gary said the 225/40/18 was sold out, but there's also an alternate 18' size you can you. Plug in all ur info on tirerack, and it'll give you the alternate size you can use.

If you don't get a huge amount of snow, I would go with the Dunlops 3D or the Bizzak LM's.

vantage_coupe · 12-13-2010, 11:16 AM

I don't have any quality shots of mine but I do have a pic from another member (sealed the deal for me to make the purchase)

vasillalov · 12-13-2010, 11:21 AM

I am sorry but the Barum tires are complete and utter crap.

My father used to own the largest used tire shop in Bulgaria and I've spent quite some time around that shop. Barums were nothing but trouble. They crack very easily and the rubber deteriorates quickly with time.

guerilla twang · 12-13-2010, 11:42 AM

Michelin Pilot Alpin PA3's are marvelous tires in the snow.

John 070 · 12-13-2010, 06:01 PM

I've got Goodyear Ultragrips (German) and they were fine in 9" of snow. But I try to avoid snow because truth be told the car is too low, it's not going through 27" 4 snows or x-drive....

cb1111 · 12-13-2010, 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vasillalov

I am sorry but the Barum tires are complete and utter crap.

My father used to own the largest used tire shop in Bulgaria and I've spent quite some time around that shop. Barums were nothing but trouble. They crack very easily and the rubber deteriorates quickly with time.

The oft cited ADAC test was for 195/65/15s where they were rated "acceptable" but basically got a "C"

No summer tire is safe in temps that would allow snow to stick.

12-13-2010, 01:55 AM	#1
Dr. G Major General 278 Rep 5,062 Posts Drives: Black e92 335i Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Brampton, Ontario iTrader: (32) Garage List e92 BMW 335i [8.84]	My Summers took on snow Pretty Well - IMPRESSED So today morning I saw a bunch of snow outside for the first time and since roads were totally empty I decided to take my car out on summer tires to see how they do. (Before everyone gets crazy, I have winter tires coming in, just thought I'd do an experiment to see how the summers perform in snowy conditions) THE TIRES: Barum Bravuris 2 225/40/18 - 255/35/18 To my surprise my tires had absolutely no problem taking on the snow at all. They spun a tiny bit to get upto speed, but it was no issue and the turning was just fine. Did some brake tests on an empty road and they did pretty decent. I was really surprised as I expected to do a lot worse and be flying all over the place. A buddy of mine got stuck on stock RFT's so I decided to take my car to the exact same place to test it out and I didn't even get a traction light I just ripped right on through. I was very impressed by this since they were just summer tires, can't wait to get my winter tires on and see how they perform in snow. __________________ JB4 / OSS Angel Eyes / Downpipes / F1-Racewerks FMIC / Custom Meth Kit / BMS DCI / ER Chargepipe / HKS BOV / BMS Meth Elbow / BMW Performance Exhaust / Carbon Fiber Inlay Quad Tips / 19" Miro 111 / Front Aero Lip / M3 Sides / VRS CSL Trunk / Mtech Rear / DD CF Quad Finned Diffuser / LCI Tails / BBK / Smoked Reflectors / F1 Euphoria LED Interior / License LED's / GT 5000k Corners / 5000k HID Fogs / Air Scoops / LED Turn Signals / FK Silverline Coilovers / HPA endlinks / Vibrant Resonators / Osram CBI 5000k D1S
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vantage_coupe First Lieutenant 20 Rep 345 Posts Drives: e92 335 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Ontario iTrader: (0)	Which winters did you pick up?
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Dr. G Major General 278 Rep 5,062 Posts Drives: Black e92 335i Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Brampton, Ontario iTrader: (32) Garage List e92 BMW 335i [8.84]	I'm sitting on tirerack right now actually trying to make a last minute decision. I want the dunlop 3d's but I also want to mount the winter tires on my OEM wheels so I can buy a new set of wheels for summer. Unfortunately, they don't come in the right sizes for my 18 inch wheels so I would have to get a set of 17" wheels from tirerack and I don't really like any of the wheels. Option 2 is the blizzak WS series, this way I can mount them on my OEM wheels, but I've heard about them wearing pretty fast and I don't think a full on winter tire is really required for GTA winter driving. I'm sitting here going back and forth between options, just waiting to pull the trigger. __________________ JB4 / OSS Angel Eyes / Downpipes / F1-Racewerks FMIC / Custom Meth Kit / BMS DCI / ER Chargepipe / HKS BOV / BMS Meth Elbow / BMW Performance Exhaust / Carbon Fiber Inlay Quad Tips / 19" Miro 111 / Front Aero Lip / M3 Sides / VRS CSL Trunk / Mtech Rear / DD CF Quad Finned Diffuser / LCI Tails / BBK / Smoked Reflectors / F1 Euphoria LED Interior / License LED's / GT 5000k Corners / 5000k HID Fogs / Air Scoops / LED Turn Signals / FK Silverline Coilovers / HPA endlinks / Vibrant Resonators / Osram CBI 5000k D1S
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12-13-2010, 02:14 AM	#4
vantage_coupe First Lieutenant 20 Rep 345 Posts Drives: e92 335 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Ontario iTrader: (0)	I'm riding on rial salernos....great looking 17 inch wheel. I would recommend the dunlop 3Ds over the WS Blizzaks but I guess you'll have to sort out your rim decision first.
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WWONG Banned 109 Rep 1,830 Posts Drives: 2012 BMW X5 xDrive35d Join Date: May 2010 Location: Houston, TX iTrader: (14)	My question is WHAT THE HELL IS A BARUM BRAVURIS?! And what about the other guy with Rial Salernos? WHAT ARE YOU GUYS BUYING?!
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12-13-2010, 02:33 AM	#6
Dr. G Major General 278 Rep 5,062 Posts Drives: Black e92 335i Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Brampton, Ontario iTrader: (32) Garage List e92 BMW 335i [8.84]	Barum is made by continental and sold primarily in Germany from what I'm told. They are highly recommended by something called ADAC over in Germany and were put onto my 335 to replace the RFT's. If I go with the Dunlops I will be getting the salerno's most likely, do you have any pics of them mounted? __________________ JB4 / OSS Angel Eyes / Downpipes / F1-Racewerks FMIC / Custom Meth Kit / BMS DCI / ER Chargepipe / HKS BOV / BMS Meth Elbow / BMW Performance Exhaust / Carbon Fiber Inlay Quad Tips / 19" Miro 111 / Front Aero Lip / M3 Sides / VRS CSL Trunk / Mtech Rear / DD CF Quad Finned Diffuser / LCI Tails / BBK / Smoked Reflectors / F1 Euphoria LED Interior / License LED's / GT 5000k Corners / 5000k HID Fogs / Air Scoops / LED Turn Signals / FK Silverline Coilovers / HPA endlinks / Vibrant Resonators / Osram CBI 5000k D1S
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John 070 Lieutenant General 1705 Rep 14,829 Posts Drives: 335i cpe Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: ZSP/ZPP/ZCW iTrader: (0)	I hope you don't draw any premature conclusions from this entirely unscientific test, as if it's a home version of mythbusters. It's like saying, "I placed my hand on the stove while the gas burner was lit and set to 16,000 btus, but before anyone says anything, I had an assistant ready to turn it off and the burn center was on hold." It only took 4 min. for the paramedics to arrive at my house--IMPRESSED.
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12-13-2010, 04:33 AM	#8
Dr. G Major General 278 Rep 5,062 Posts Drives: Black e92 335i Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Brampton, Ontario iTrader: (32) Garage List e92 BMW 335i [8.84]	Not drawing any conclusions at all, just did it for some fun, thought I would go out and see for myself how it is to drive in snow on summer tires. I obviously am not going to do this again I just did it one time until my winter tires come in. First snowfall my 335 has seen and I thought I would go out and see how bad it really is on summers. EDIT: And for those who think I'm crazy for doing it, I did it on a road that sees only one car a day..... my car __________________ JB4 / OSS Angel Eyes / Downpipes / F1-Racewerks FMIC / Custom Meth Kit / BMS DCI / ER Chargepipe / HKS BOV / BMS Meth Elbow / BMW Performance Exhaust / Carbon Fiber Inlay Quad Tips / 19" Miro 111 / Front Aero Lip / M3 Sides / VRS CSL Trunk / Mtech Rear / DD CF Quad Finned Diffuser / LCI Tails / BBK / Smoked Reflectors / F1 Euphoria LED Interior / License LED's / GT 5000k Corners / 5000k HID Fogs / Air Scoops / LED Turn Signals / FK Silverline Coilovers / HPA endlinks / Vibrant Resonators / Osram CBI 5000k D1S
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12-13-2010, 07:09 AM	#9
be1ieve1111 Thread Killer 20 Rep 930 Posts Drives: 2014 EB M235i Join Date: May 2010 Location: Indiana iTrader: (9)	I'm not sure if you get the same Potenza summer ones that we do. But I had a very bad experience with them in snow. On the highway I couldn't go faster than 20, and the couldn't even get up the off ramp which was barely at an incline of a mere 10-15 degrees. It just spun out. It took me 30 minutes to get up the 1/4 mile ramp. Ordered winter setup right after. 18x8.5 Black Painted ASA GT4 on 225/40R18 Bridgestone Blizzak WS60 tires. No performance whatsoever. You have to be light on the gas or you'll just spin. They're ok for a Chicago winter. Total came out to $1454 at Tire Rack with pick up at the Indiana Warehouse. PICS http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=452318
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Dr. G Major General 278 Rep 5,062 Posts Drives: Black e92 335i Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Brampton, Ontario iTrader: (32) Garage List e92 BMW 335i [8.84]	Yeah I seen your thread before. Do you feel that the ws-60 wear down reallly fast on dry pavement? I want to stick with 18's but I also really want the dunlop wintersports, I can't decide which way to go and it's the only reason I haven't ordered yet. __________________ JB4 / OSS Angel Eyes / Downpipes / F1-Racewerks FMIC / Custom Meth Kit / BMS DCI / ER Chargepipe / HKS BOV / BMS Meth Elbow / BMW Performance Exhaust / Carbon Fiber Inlay Quad Tips / 19" Miro 111 / Front Aero Lip / M3 Sides / VRS CSL Trunk / Mtech Rear / DD CF Quad Finned Diffuser / LCI Tails / BBK / Smoked Reflectors / F1 Euphoria LED Interior / License LED's / GT 5000k Corners / 5000k HID Fogs / Air Scoops / LED Turn Signals / FK Silverline Coilovers / HPA endlinks / Vibrant Resonators / Osram CBI 5000k D1S
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12-13-2010, 07:27 AM	#11
be1ieve1111 Thread Killer 20 Rep 930 Posts Drives: 2014 EB M235i Join Date: May 2010 Location: Indiana iTrader: (9)	I suggest not getting the WS and go for the LM. They're horrible on dry/wet pavement I get nothing but wheelspin in WOT even if I gun it at like 70 on a nice straight dry stretch. The first 3 weeks it was nothing but dry/wet pavement but they look just like they did since day 1.
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12-13-2010, 10:43 AM	#13
MyE92 El Presidente 273 Rep 6,962 Posts Drives: your mom wild. Join Date: May 2007 Location: NJ iTrader: (24)	Read my comments on my thread about "WS-70" I was in the same boat as you late last night, and I pulled the trigger and went with the Dunlops. I know Gary said the 225/40/18 was sold out, but there's also an alternate 18' size you can you. Plug in all ur info on tirerack, and it'll give you the alternate size you can use. If you don't get a huge amount of snow, I would go with the Dunlops 3D or the Bizzak LM's.
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12-13-2010, 11:16 AM	#14
vantage_coupe First Lieutenant 20 Rep 345 Posts Drives: e92 335 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Ontario iTrader: (0)	I don't have any quality shots of mine but I do have a pic from another member (sealed the deal for me to make the purchase) Attached Images
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12-13-2010, 11:21 AM	#15
vasillalov Mad Linux Guru On The Loose 1121 Rep 5,396 Posts Drives: 2008 335i Sedan, 2023 M3 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Chicago, IL iTrader: (5) Garage List 2023 BMW M3 [0.00] 2008 335i E90 [8.00]	I am sorry but the Barum tires are complete and utter crap. My father used to own the largest used tire shop in Bulgaria and I've spent quite some time around that shop. Barums were nothing but trouble. They crack very easily and the rubber deteriorates quickly with time. __________________ 6MT \| COBB \| AR \| AE \| Forge DV \| HPF \| P3 Gauge \| Hybrid Intake \| O.S.Giken TCD \| All M3 bits \| TCKLine \| StopTech \| UUC \| ER \| SPEC
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guerilla twang I do my crosswords in pen. 17 Rep 751 Posts Drives: OEM+ 330i Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: KCMO iTrader: (6)	Michelin Pilot Alpin PA3's are marvelous tires in the snow. __________________ GRUPPE TITAN Midwest
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12-13-2010, 06:01 PM	#17
John 070 Lieutenant General 1705 Rep 14,829 Posts Drives: 335i cpe Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: ZSP/ZPP/ZCW iTrader: (0)	I've got Goodyear Ultragrips (German) and they were fine in 9" of snow. But I try to avoid snow because truth be told the car is too low, it's not going through 27" 4 snows or x-drive....
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