OK...I'm officially confused

inabis · 11-05-2006, 11:33 PM

Ok, here's the story. I'm a HUGE dumbass and fell for the Xzilon option. I paid over 600 bucks for this useless shit and it isn't doing anything. I have a jet black bm and it's got scratches all over it. Problem is, I can't apply wax to it because it voids the warranty. After weeks of fighting, I've come to the conclusion that I should just cut my losses

and wax the car. I've spent countless hours on this site and autopia am officially confused. From where I stand, I see two options: Zaino and Klasse. I'm obviously a noob and from what I read am hella intimidated by Zaino. So, I've opted to go with Klasse AIO and SG. But I've read so much isht the last couple of days I'm confused on how the hell to use this and what it exactly does. So here are my questions:

-Can Klasse get rid of scratches?? Because if it doesn't, might as well keep that stupid f'in Xzilon on there

-How long will this stuff actually last?? I know it says 4-8 months but how long does it really last? My problem is that I don't have the ability to get a garage so my car gets the FL rain and heat one after another. I also know the formula changed recently so I'd really like the answer to this quesion.

-How the hell do I get the Xzilon off?? It's a "bonding" agent and it's SUPPOSED to bond to the paint forever...lol. I tryed claying my trunk lid but that was a royal pain in my @SS.

I know a lot of you guys are huge supporters of Zaino but please don't comment on how great it is and what you use...it just confuses the hell outta me. It seems each person has their own mixture of products to use on their car and that why I'm having a hard time figuring what products to use for what. I'm in grad school and thus don't have the time to spend 7 hours waxing my car every weekend so any time cut down on this process will be very helpful. Any help will be appreciated. OR, if you know any good relatively cheap detailers in the Daytona Beach area, please let me know. Thanks!!!

Ninjaneer · 11-06-2006, 12:12 PM

Looks like you found the other thread and got a better idea? Picus gave a good explanation in that thread of how this should be reapplied over 6 months or so, maybe read the terms of your purchase.

I'm not qualified to tell you what you need to do to remove this or to be able to wax your car etc. I'd ask Picus, shim or some other knowledgeable person.

Now, on to your question about Zaino / Klasse. Essentially applying these products, particular sealants, will allow you to go on for an extended period with protection and all you'll have to do in between is regular washes. So you won't really find yourself waxing your car for "7 hours" every single weekend. Zaino's instructions say that after applying their polish it should protect the car for 6 months. During that time you just wash and quick detail it, so you'd spend say 2 hours max washing it every weekend or every other weekend or however often you plan to wash your car.

Zaino was intimidating to me too at first, but after reading about it from their site and on the forum, I figured out what was what and it's not that scary. I just got my kit recently and plan to apply it soon. I did clay the car and followed the dawn procedure and gave it a regular wash... claying took forever for me, but I was new to it.

Check the regional South East subforum, someone there may have mentioned a detailer in your area if you want to go that route.

BK · 11-06-2006, 01:47 PM

You should read more here and at http://www.autopia.org/.

You can do a search for Xzilon over there, but in short, there is nothing special about Xzilon. It is a wax and sealant product just like Zaino and other decent sealant products. It lasts about six months, not five years. The "five years" thing you have is for free re-application of the product at your dealer, if I understand what I have read about Xzilon. Maybe you can go to your dealer and get it re-applied now?

If not -- if you want to start doing your waxing and sealing yourself, you can take off the existing sealant by washing the car with something like Dawn dish detergent one time, then apply the new stuff. You don't need to use clay to remove existing sealant, but claying your car could be a good idea. In any case, read up here, on the Autopia site, and on the Zaino website (http://www.zainostore.com/).

No sealant prevents scratches. Not Xzilon, not Zaino, not any of them. You have a black car and you will get scratches and swirls. These have to be polished out.

Good luck. Your car will be fine and will look as good as new soon. Consider the money you spent on the Xzilon a learning experience.

epiphone3 · 11-06-2006, 04:41 PM

Zaino Z-5 fills minor swirls and scratches.

Using Zymol HD-Cleanse prior to Zaino or Klasse will improve your results... it is not abrasive and helps get rid of oxidized paint, minor scratches, and minor swirls... I swear by this stuff as a pre-wax no matter what. It leaves the car feeling ultra smooth prior to applying the wax. Oh, and by the way, I drastically improved the apprearance of a major scratch on my friends E90 330i with Zymol HD-Cleanse recently. She is now a believer too.

Long and short... get Zymol HD-Cleanse... get Klasse or Zaino... wash car with Dawn or other liquid dish detergent.... do Zymol HD-Cleanse treatment (roughly 1 hour, apply in one direction with straight motions, buff off in other direction with straight motions)... do Zaino or Klasse coat.... repeat Zaino as much as you want (don't know if you can repeat with Klasse).

valiant · 11-06-2006, 09:06 PM

I just purchased my Titanium Silver 325i in September 2006. I have put one coat of Klasse AIO and three coats of Klasse SG as per the Detailing 101 post (w/o the carnuba topper). I also put it on my wheels. I never heard of any of this stuff (or claying, etc.) before September. Klasse was easy to use--far easier than the Turtle Wax I used years ago on my last non-leased car. The water beads nicely after 6 weeks and the brake dust just wipes off of the wheels.

I now wash the car every two weeks or so, and get the bugs off in the interim with Sonus Acrylic Spritz. Pretty simple and the car looks great. So far, the posts on this e90 site have not let me down......

inabis · 11-06-2006, 11:00 PM

Thanks for the help guys, I really appreciate it. So what I think you're saying is that if I use Zymol that it'll hide most of the swirls and then I should use Klasse on it? Ok...that doesn't sound too bad...what's the best way to get the Xzilon off?? Oh, and another thing...what is considered a "quick detail" is it just a wash and a spray of something like Mcguiars quick detail?? People always say they "do a quick detail" but no one says what it is. Man it sucks to be a noob...lol

valiant · 11-07-2006, 07:27 AM

A quick detail (QD) spray is used to quickly clean off dust and minor dirt with just a microfiber towel and no water. It also leaves some new protection on the surface.

If you use Klasse AIO/SG, you should use an acrylic based QD like Sonus Acrylic Spritz.

picus · 11-07-2006, 08:08 AM

[QUOTE=inabis]Ok, here's the story. I'm a HUGE dumbass and fell for the Xzilon option. I paid over 600 bucks for this useless shit and it isn't doing anything. I have a jet black bm and it's got scratches all over it. Problem is, I can't apply wax to it because it voids the warranty. After weeks of fighting, I've come to the conclusion that I should just cut my losses

and wax the car. I've spent countless hours on this site and autopia am officially confused. From where I stand, I see two options: Zaino and Klasse. I'm obviously a noob and from what I read am hella intimidated by Zaino. So, I've opted to go with Klasse AIO and SG. But I've read so much isht the last couple of days I'm confused on how the hell to use this and what it exactly does. So here are my questions:[quote]

Don't be intimidated by Zaino, it is in fact easier to use than Klasse. There are also other sealant options, Werkstatt, Poorboys, Menzerna, etc. I would go for Zaino just because of ease of use. I will explain how to use it in this post.

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