[Syndicategt]

Originally Posted by BuraQ

Oh yes the magic word

If money wasn't a factor, everyone would be running around with Upgraded Turbos, FBO, and meth. This car has a terrible meth addiction, the engine loves it!

[JStang]

Originally Posted by Syndicategt

If money wasn't a factor, everyone would be running around with Upgraded Turbos, FBO, and meth. This car has a terrible meth addiction, the engine loves it!

Apparently! These meth guys have me curious although I know I won't benefit with Cobb for the time being.

[BQTuning]

Originally Posted by JStang

Apparently! These meth guys have me curious although I know I won't benefit with Cobb for the time being.

curiousity is what killed the cat....jk

I could only see myself resorting to meth if it was the final and only option left. However its not....

[Dr. G]

Originally Posted by BuraQ

curiousity is what killed the cat....jk

I could only see myself resorting to meth if it was the final and only option left. However its not....

A tune+Meth car will walk all over a FBO+Tune car anyday of the week. So it just makes more sense to get meth.

[BQTuning]

Originally Posted by Dr. G

A tune+Meth car will walk all over a FBO+Tune car anyday of the week. So it just makes more sense to get meth.

So your telling me and everyone here that two identical cars with same psi boost, one using ONLY meth and the other tuned fully for its FBO, the meth + tune car will walk it ?

[Q4P]

Originally Posted by BuraQ

So your telling me and everyone here that two identical cars with same psi boost, one using ONLY meth and the other tuned fully for its FBO, the meth + tune car will walk it ?

That won't be possible on pump gas. An FBO no meth vehicle cannot run same psi safely as the meth vehicle.

Edit - To add there will be a cooling advantage in the meth car but running the same boost on both cars will not be possible.

[Syndicategt]

Originally Posted by BuraQ

So your telling me and everyone here that two identical cars with same psi boost, one using ONLY meth and the other tuned fully for its FBO, the meth + tune car will walk it ?

Yes, for the simple fact that the meth car can run more advanced timing and will have much lower IAT's.

*edit - but whats the point of running the same boost when the meth car can run more (safely)?

[Q4P]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

It's quite easy to make 400whp on 91oct with the Procede. But you will need FBO mods. So that means you will have to add a FMIC and DPs to your list.

OR, you can just go with the Procede, PWM Meth and DCIs and easily make 410whp/460+lbft with no other mods. I think if more people felt the benefits of a fully functional PWM meth system (mapped to work with the tune), they wouldn't be nearly as eager to go with traditional bolt-ons that don't offer nearly the same drivability/performance gains.

my 2c,
shiv

I agree; the only thing that makes me squirmish is running 18 PSI in a car with stock DP's. The backpressure just seems too much although many people get away with it very well.

[BQTuning]

Originally Posted by Questforpower

That won't be possible on pump gas. An FBO no meth vehicle cannot run same psi safely as the meth vehicle.

We are talking about both cars being able to be tuned to run higher octain lvls. Car A is tuned to run meth only and Car B is tuned to take full advantage of its FBO.

Originally Posted by Syndicategt

Yes, for the simple fact that the meth car can run more advanced timing and will have much lower IAT's.

To make it sound like a Tune + Meth "only" can all out conquer a FBO + Tune (custom) doesnt sound right. I would expect to see performance between these as not that far off.

We are playing with a double edge sword here and it is something that can go either way

[Q4P]

Originally Posted by BuraQ

We are talking about both cars being able to be tuned to run higher octain lvls. Car A is tuned to run meth only and Car B is tuned to take full advantage of its FBO.



To make it sound like a Tune + Meth "only" can all out conquer a FBO + Tune (custom) doesnt sound right. I would expect to see performance between these as not that far off.

We are playing with a double edge sword here and it is something that can go either way

At that point, since octane levels are maxed in a race gas car and in a meth car; the advantage that the meth car still has is in cooling and advancement of timing. The race gas car has the FBO advantage so I think at that point; the races will be very close but the meth car will be able to do it more consistently for obvious reasons.

[Dr. G]

Originally Posted by BuraQ

We are talking about both cars being able to be tuned to run higher octain lvls. Car A is tuned to run meth only and Car B is tuned to take full advantage of its FBO.



To make it sound like a Tune + Meth "only" can all out conquer a FBO + Tune (custom) doesnt sound right. I would expect to see performance between these as not that far off.

We are playing with a double edge sword here and it is something that can go either way

Have you seen FBO cars racing meth only cars? The meth only cars definitely definitely outperform them.

[BQTuning]

Originally Posted by Dr. G

Have you seen FBO cars racing meth only cars? The meth only cars definitely definitely outperform them.

I have never seen a meth no FBO car. If it ran meth it was FBO. I have seen a FBO + Tune + Meth vs FBO + Tune race on 1/4 mile runs, but not circular track.

[madmax95gtr]

Again, pardon my ignorance, FBO?? And i know Meth is easy but Id like to stay fully bolt on and keep it that way. Im not looking to drag it or be a HP queen, just more streetable HP.

And with that said, been looking at exhausts, the vanguard is looking like my option

[JStang]

Originally Posted by madmax95gtr

Again, pardon my ignorance, FBO?? And i know Meth is easy but Id like to stay fully bolt on and keep it that way. Im not looking to drag it or be a HP queen, just more streetable HP.

And with that said, been looking at exhausts, the vanguard is looking like my option

You already said it. FBO = full bolt on's.

[thebigragu99]

Originally Posted by 805beemer

this girl is making 415/460 cobbs OTS map Stage 2+ aggresive. With a protune should make even more.

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=601665

I think she's the only on eto date make this kind of power on pump gas.Maybe a false calibrated dyno jet??If not the car is a freak.

[805beemer]

Originally Posted by thebigragu99

I think she's the only on to date make this kind of power on pump gas.Maybe a false calibrated dyno jet??If not the car is a freak.

Yeah I realize she's not the norm for stage 2+ dyno's. Would have been nice of her to do a baseline. Either way most stage 2+ cars will be well over 400 lbs of tq and right around 390hp on a dynojet so not far off from the 400/400 that the guy was asking about.

I have been running 2+ sport map for a couple weeks now and love it. Once January rolls around and I have some extra money I'll get mine dyno'd. I'll make sure to do runs on stock, drive, sport, and aggressive. Plus once ATR comes out I don't see why you wouldn't be able to squeeze out another 10-20 hp/tq

[ontopofm]

what is ATR? thanks

[Brey335i]

Originally Posted by ontopofm

what is ATR? thanks

Access Tuner Race. COBB's version of a end user tune software.

For the record. 400/400 or more is very doable on Stage 2... I've seen those numbers on a Mustang dyno

[madmax95gtr]

Originally Posted by JStang

You already said it. FBO = full bolt on's.

Oh LOL Sorry hahahaha

[InTheNightKitchen]

Really, on a mustang dyno? Is there any links to this?

Originally Posted by Brey335i

Access Tuner Race. COBB's version of a end user tune software.

For the record. 400/400 or more is very doable on Stage 2... I've seen those numbers on a Mustang dyno

[jade1221]

dude howz that possible with get 400 hp powered signal over the engine

[Syndicategt]

Originally Posted by jade1221

dude howz that possible with get 400 hp powered signal over the engine