Dyno result!

nkw512 · 05-04-2010, 03:11 PM

Today I went and got my first dyno done at Mobile One Inc. in Glenview, IL. Just thought I'd share with everyone! Thanks Terry for evaluating my logs and giving me advices along the way.
I'd also like to thank Jason and Mobile One Inc., they were very friendly and a joy to work with. Now on to my mods , graphs and logs.

Car: 335i coupe 6MT

Mods:
JB3 2.0 Map 9, 4/21 firmware default global settings etc
DCI
CP-e dps
AE exhaust
AA FMIC
STETT charge pipe w/ Forge DVs
98 oct

Dyno was done on a Dyno Dynamics Dynamometer. Huge fan in front, hood open. Room temp 71F, IAT before pulls 88-90F. All 4th gear runs.

Map 9: HP 451.4, TQ 449.8
Map 0: HP 323.3, TQ 303.2

Max HP/TQ

Max HP/PSI

Map 0 HP/TQ and comparison

HP/PSI and comparison

Map 9 datalog

128whp increase with a JB3!

Thanks for looking.

cn555ic · 05-04-2010, 03:13 PM

Damn thats great

onefastman · 05-04-2010, 03:14 PM

nice

kjrulz · 05-04-2010, 03:21 PM

no intercooler?

335e92tx · 05-04-2010, 03:23 PM

Never seen a dynodynamics read that much higher than a DJ. Most tend to be about 12-15 percent below.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kjrulz

no intercooler?

Quote:

Originally Posted by nkw512

AA FMIC

dtp3347 · 05-04-2010, 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 335e92tx

Never seen a dynodynamics read that much higher than a DJ. Most tend to be about 12-15 percent below.

ive heard of Dyno Dynamics being all over the place (a few high, ala forged)

Dom the Bomb · 05-04-2010, 03:32 PM

nice numbers

nkw512 · 05-04-2010, 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kjrulz

no intercooler?

AA fmic

It seems pretty high to me, I was very surprised and so was the owner. I wish there was a stock one there to compare. Either way, the car runs smooth as silk all I can say is I'm happy!

a32guy · 05-04-2010, 03:41 PM

Dyno dynamics read lower than dynojets when in shootout mode-- this was not in shootout mode (hence the 323whp map0 run).

Good results, but its all relative.

enrita · 05-04-2010, 03:52 PM

those results seems crank, not at the wheels. Anyway 128 over stock is pretty nice

atlxkevinx · 05-04-2010, 04:20 PM

As long as the gains are there, it really doesn't matter what dyno you are on!

OpenFlash · 05-04-2010, 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 335e92tx

Never seen a dynodynamics read that much higher than a DJ. Most tend to be about 12-15 percent below.

This one has been fudged to read higher. Pressing "control-X" allows the dyne operator to apply a global correction. Judging by the baseline of 323whp, he probably inputted 1.13 or so. Not an uncommon practice for DD shops since most customers can't help themselves when it comes to comparing their results to dynojet results. Even so, you really shouldn't compare the two.

But Shootout mode, when selected, basically locks out the ability to apply an external correction factor. It also locks out the ability to make changes to the ramp up rate. It's non-fudgeability makes it popular when it comes to comparing results between different DD dynos.

Shiv

scottp999 · 05-04-2010, 04:38 PM

Do you have a boost gauge with peak recall? Just curious since preboost is before the throttle body what your boost gauge said.

At 16.3 (or close to that) on your graph, I just don't see much more than 420whp just considering anecdotal evidence of others results.

Thanks for presenting the data. Any BT log of timing to go along with it?

nkw512 · 05-04-2010, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scottp999

Do you have a boost gauge with peak recall? Just curious since preboost is before the throttle body what your boost gauge said.

At 16.3 (or close to that) on your graph, I just don't see much more than 420whp just considering anecdotal evidence of others results.

Thanks for presenting the data. Any BT log of timing to go along with it?

I have a boost gauge but I didn't take readings from it, he tapped the boost line to his boost sensor however, you can see it on the dyno graph where it shows HP/PSI. Looks like it peaked around 17 to me.

scottp999 · 05-04-2010, 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nkw512

I have a boost gauge but I didn't take readings from it, he tapped the boost line to his boost sensor however, you can see it on the dyno graph where it shows HP/PSI. Looks like it peaked around 17 to me.

Do you think 17 is agressive for 98 octane (without meth for more IAT reductions)? I see that map 9 shows to use 100 octane or better. Do you drive it on the street like that? How does it feel? Run any BT timing logs while you had the 98 octane in there during a 3rd gear pull.

Sorry for all the questions, I'm just obsessed at finding the limits.

StartupJunkie · 05-04-2010, 05:53 PM

I've used DynoDynamics for dynoing my other cars ... it is a bit of a heartbreak dyno if you're into big numbers. My numbers were consistently 10-15% lower than my dynojet numbers.

At the end of the day, its a tool ... just make sure the attributes you used as a baseline are applied the same to the post-mod runs. Then you can get comparative percentage gains.

Junk

nkw512 · 05-04-2010, 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scottp999

Do you think 17 is agressive for 98 octane (without meth for more IAT reductions)? I see that map 9 shows to use 100 octane or better. Do you drive it on the street like that? How does it feel? Run any BT timing logs while you had the 98 octane in there during a 3rd gear pull.

Sorry for all the questions, I'm just obsessed at finding the limits.

Map 9 didn't yield much better result for me, roughly 5whp. My guess is I need higher oct/meth and it was heatsoaked. This was the first time I ran map 9. I was out last night trying to adapt the car on map 8 and it felt noticeably stronger than map 7 and smooth as well. The car is plenty fast on the road, for me anyways and I don't plan on driving on the road with this setting. I haven't done any timing logs via BT but from the dyno graphs it seems decent? I still have a lot of race gas in my tank so I will go out and do a BT log for you tonight.

scottp999 · 05-04-2010, 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nkw512

Map 9 didn't yield much better result for me, roughly 5whp. My guess is I need higher oct/meth and it was heatsoaked. This was the first time I ran map 9. I was out last night trying to adapt the car on map 8 and it felt noticeably stronger than map 7 and smooth as well. The car is plenty fast on the road, for me anyways and I don't plan on driving on the road with this setting. I haven't done any timing logs via BT but from the dyno graphs it seems decent? I still have a lot of race gas in my tank so I will go out and do a BT log for you tonight.

Cool - send it over to Terry and get his feedback. Thanks for all the info.

335e92tx · 05-04-2010, 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by atlxkevinx

As long as the gains are there, it really doesn't matter what dyno you are on!

I can't say I completely agree with that. If that were the case we would be just referring to the deltas as percent increase. There IS supposed to be some transference in these metrics. They ARE based on a constant that is repeatable. And if anything, a eddy current dyno or inertia dyno should be more REPEATABLE than a engine dyno that uses a strain gauge

Quote:

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

This one has been fudged to read higher. Pressing "control-X" allows the dyne operator to apply a global correction. Judging by the baseline of 323whp, he probably inputted 1.13 or so. Not an uncommon practice for DD shops since most customers can't help themselves when it comes to comparing their results to dynojet results. Even so, you really shouldn't compare the two.

But Shootout mode, when selected, basically locks out the ability to apply an external correction factor. It also locks out the ability to make changes to the ramp up rate. It's non-fudgeability makes it popular when it comes to comparing results between different DD dynos.

Shiv

I agree they should not be compared or even some normalization be attempted. But there should be some consistency in the difference.

Slidewayz · 05-04-2010, 09:35 PM

I'm a wee bit skeptical that you can squeeze 451 WHP out of this car with < 100 octane and no meth/nitrous.

Mike@N54Tuning.com · 05-04-2010, 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nkw512

AA fmic

It seems pretty high to me, I was very surprised and so was the owner. I wish there was a stock one there to compare. Either way, the car runs smooth as silk all I can say is I'm happy!

Very nice gains! You did 320rw on map 0 with mods+race gas so that gives us a good comparison point. Maybe on a dynojet you'd be at 300rw on map 0 with mods+race gas.

Mike

AltecBX · 05-04-2010, 10:32 PM

So you think he'll be 431 on a dynojet?

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nkw512 Private 5 Rep 77 Posts Drives: 09 335i Coupe Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Chicago Illinois iTrader: (6)	Dyno result! Today I went and got my first dyno done at Mobile One Inc. in Glenview, IL. Just thought I'd share with everyone! Thanks Terry for evaluating my logs and giving me advices along the way. I'd also like to thank Jason and Mobile One Inc., they were very friendly and a joy to work with. Now on to my mods , graphs and logs. Car: 335i coupe 6MT Mods: JB3 2.0 Map 9, 4/21 firmware default global settings etc DCI CP-e dps AE exhaust AA FMIC STETT charge pipe w/ Forge DVs 98 oct Dyno was done on a Dyno Dynamics Dynamometer. Huge fan in front, hood open. Room temp 71F, IAT before pulls 88-90F. All 4th gear runs. Map 9: HP 451.4, TQ 449.8 Map 0: HP 323.3, TQ 303.2 Max HP/TQ Max HP/PSI Map 0 HP/TQ and comparison HP/PSI and comparison Map 9 datalog 128whp increase with a JB3! Thanks for looking.
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