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03-20-2012, 05:03 PM | #23 | |
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Please tell me how much lets say 10 different stock 335d's are going to vary in power on the same dyno, please, enlighten me! I'd REALLY LOVE to hear that one! LOL Oh also, how is VS recommending cars to this shop going to affect the dyno #'s? Is the magic VS dyno fairy going to come around and tell the car to make more power? I have the raw data files from all the runs, and they are posted with the same correction factors. I'll map all 10 runs together when I get home. If you don't see the difference in the graphs from a JBD tuned car and this, you shouldn't even be shedding any input in this thread! Put the keyboard aside keyboard warrior.
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03-20-2012, 05:11 PM | #24 |
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Sorry I did/cannot see the mustang dyno charts from my work pc. Am I to understand correctly that you have a 3rd dyno on the mustang after VS made adjustments and that 3rd dyno shows a 60hp gain?
And there is no need to get snippy young man. I am fully aware of what we are talking about and comparing here. |
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03-20-2012, 05:48 PM | #25 | |
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Again, we have a baseline, we have a dyno of the first map on that same dyno, we also have a dyno of that first map on a dynojet, you have a dyno of the revised map on that same dynojet. Provided the Op can verify the correction factor was the same for both on runs on the respective dyno you can figure out everything you need to know from this info. It's not rocket science. Quit acting like there is some conspiracy. Last edited by hotrod2448; 03-20-2012 at 05:53 PM.. |
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03-20-2012, 06:17 PM | #26 | |
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The data provided is fine for what it is but don't act like the information is anything other than a bunch of dyno graphs performed on different machines, by different operators etc, not mentioning they were performed by the tuner's preferred shop. If you believe applying the correction factor somehow provides you with the data you need to make an informed opinion on the matter, fine. And you're right, dynos are not rocket science, it is more of a voodoo science which is all the more reason why to stick with the same machine, operator and preferrably a shop that has no vested interest. As for the mustang dyno I am not paying for anything, it's not my tune. I also didn't promise everyone that I was to get before an after dynos by an indy shop that has no affliation with VS. But all that doesn't matter to you and that's fine too, have at it. In the interim I will wait for others to take the plunge and hopefully they can/will provide more data on the subject. I hope the Evolve tune does achieve the claimed gains, that would be great, I might buy it too, but waiting on more data. Last edited by cssnms; 03-20-2012 at 06:29 PM.. |
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03-20-2012, 06:26 PM | #27 |
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Interesting read so far. I don't want to take sides here, but I would like to see a baseline vs. after tune on the same dyno. I don't care what model of dyno, the gain or loss is the determining factor.
We should all play nicely... the goal is to get the best tune for our cars. Great job to the OP for documenting the experience.
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YOUR car on THAT mustang is the only reliable basline / control. |
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03-20-2012, 07:29 PM | #29 |
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Yes op. great job but im surprised evolve doesnt agree. There is really no risk to the mustang. We are only concerned about the marginal numbers (gains of xxhp and xxtq) which should be consistent across any dyno if you ran a baseline on all.
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03-20-2012, 07:45 PM | #30 |
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I have no problems if someone wants to pay for me to re-dyno on the mustang. I could care less for it as I have the info I need and I think we would have a more accurate graph by getting a stock 335d on the dynojet, I'd rather chip in for that.
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03-20-2012, 07:50 PM | #31 |
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I will put my money where my mouth is,,, I will chip-in for the follow-up dyno on the mustang dyno. Amy other takers? taibanl?
What did the shop with the mustang dyno charge? $75? $100? |
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03-20-2012, 07:52 PM | #32 |
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$100. I think the money is better spent going the other way, but whatever! lol FYI the $100 got me got me 3 runs each time and the runs posted were the cleanest ones, all the other ones the dyno operator didn't start the car at right RPM, or were inconsistent, both stock and tuned. Also keep in mind the car was basically driving right onto the dyno after a 60+ mile rush hour drive and all runs were almost back to back. (reasons I didn't care for it)
On the dyno jet after a 50mile through some stop and go we let the car cool, and got about 5-6 runs in each time, did back to back runs, a cool down run, idle run, etc. Hans really took his time with it. Also each run was consistent every time, unlike the mustang.
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03-20-2012, 07:55 PM | #33 |
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I will chip-in too
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03-20-2012, 08:07 PM | #37 | |
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I really wish you guys would go the other way but whatever! lol.
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03-20-2012, 08:17 PM | #39 |
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Paypal even better! If they would be willing to offer a cheaper rate all the better in my book. Let us know on the rate. In the mean time, any other takers?
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03-20-2012, 08:19 PM | #40 |
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Not it's not really an accurate represenation to compare the two since they were done on different machines under different conditions. This dyno is lower than some others I have seen so tough to judge. This owner drove 30+ min to the shop so a little heat soaked. And he is running an open element cone filter which I think hurt his performance more than it helped him. The JBD has a nice a curve though, very linear.
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03-20-2012, 09:11 PM | #43 | |
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03-20-2012, 09:27 PM | #44 |
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Okay we are at $90. Nothing like a few diesel guys coming together to make it happen in an effort to round-out all of the good info posted up by Concentric190!
I agree crazyinp, money well invested! Hopefully the shop will do it for that amount. |
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