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      10-31-2016, 09:39 PM   #45
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Would you be supplying the heat shield modified so that it fits without further hacking?

I think the heat shield is a key component for this kit, to help minimise heat radiation onto the silicon pipe and thus reducing any potential damage/degradation over time.
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Would you be supplying the heat shield modified so that it fits without further hacking?

I think the heat shield is a key component for this kit, to help minimise heat radiation onto the silicon pipe and thus reducing any potential damage/degradation over time.
surely if the heat shield doesn't come with the outlets and it's not stated they are required the outlets would be engineered in such a way so that they don't melt.
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Would you be supplying the heat shield modified so that it fits without further hacking?

I think the heat shield is a key component for this kit, to help minimise heat radiation onto the silicon pipe and thus reducing any potential damage/degradation over time.
We actually have another RHD installer who said this much effort was not required after we sent this picture, but they still said some was for sure. Hopefully he will share what he had to do for the shield as well, but this one did look tastefully modified. As for a RHD specific design, we may do something but it is up in the air at the moment. A lot will probably pend on how many actually join and follow through with payment, and those who are willing to flip the extra cost for the heat shield. We often find the consumer these days are looking for the cheapest offering regardless of the scenario and demand tapers significantly when you make extra high quality components that obviously come at an extra cost. If demand is low for the heat shield and we opt out of a RHD specific shield worse case you know it can work with around 15 minutes of cutting efforts. But once again if there is some even remotely fair amount willing to pay for the extra bits we can follow through with a one designed specifically for RHD as pictured.

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surely if the heat shield doesn't come with the outlets and it's not stated they are required the outlets would be engineered in such a way so that they don't melt.
The heat shield certainly adds a bit of taste to the silicone outlet kit. However as we are the now 3rd silicone outlet offering, with a proclaimed 250+ unit sales by only one (of the other two) offering; neither of them offer such a shield.

On top of our shield, we have routed our outlets in a custom fashion as far away from the manifolds as possible. If you search pictures of the routes of the other competitive offerings you will see that between the turbos they curve upward very close to the turbo manifolds as this is what the OEM pipe does, and that OEM pipe is what those vendors used for a sample to replicate into a production silicone. We have seen and heard of many failures of that route, and the failure always seems to be in this area where it curves upward in between the turbos.

Then when you search our offering you'll see we did put a bit more thought into them to keep them safer than the competition by keeping as much distance as possible with the heat shield is an added benefit. We've also sold the heat shield to some others (a la carte) who have went a step further and got it thermal coated which is desirable surely, but something like this adds cost even more.

At the end of the day we are trying to offer what we believe is a competitive priced product that goes a bit above and beyond the others and in this case actually works with RHD cars, but there comes a point you can easily price yourself out of a sale because ultimately the consumer will pay the least they can for items- typically disregarding that you are getting higher quality components, more hardware, or a product that actually fits the application with the purchase. This said we are making the shield optional, as competitively speaking it is non-existent- but we would recommend it nonetheless. We'd also recommend taking any extra install or thermal protection measure thought to be appropriate, just as our competition would recommend.

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We actually have another RHD installer who said this much effort was not required after we sent this picture, but they still said some was for sure. Hopefully he will share what he had to do for the shield as well, but this one did look tastefully modified. As for a RHD specific design, we may do something but it is up in the air at the moment. A lot will probably pend on how many actually join and follow through with payment, and those who are willing to flip the extra cost for the heat shield. We often find the consumer these days are looking for the cheapest offering regardless of the scenario and demand tapers significantly when you make extra high quality components that obviously come at an extra cost. If demand is low for the heat shield and we opt out of a RHD specific shield worse case you know it can work with around 15 minutes of cutting efforts. But once again if there is some even remotely fair amount willing to pay for the extra bits we can follow through with a one designed specifically for RHD as pictured.

More on your thought in the in the next response.



The heat shield certainly adds a bit of taste to the silicone outlet kit. However as we are the now 3rd silicone outlet offering, with a proclaimed 250+ unit sales by only one (of the other two) offering; neither of them offer such a shield.

On top of our shield, we have routed our outlets in a custom fashion as far away from the manifolds as possible. If you search pictures of the routes of the other competitive offerings you will see that between the turbos they curve upward very close to the turbo manifolds as this is what the OEM pipe does, and that OEM pipe is what those vendors used for a sample to replicate into a production silicone. We have seen and heard of many failures of that route, and the failure always seems to be in this area where it curves upward in between the turbos.

Then when you search our offering you'll see we did put a bit more thought into them to keep them safer than the competition by keeping as much distance as possible with the heat shield is an added benefit. We've also sold the heat shield to some others (a la carte) who have went a step further and got it thermal coated which is desirable surely, but something like this adds cost even more.

At the end of the day we are trying to offer what we believe is a competitive priced product that goes a bit above and beyond the others and in this case actually works with RHD cars, but there comes a point you can easily price yourself out of a sale because ultimately the consumer will pay the least they can for items- typically disregarding that you are getting higher quality components, more hardware, or a product that actually fits the application with the purchase. This said we are making the shield optional, as competitively speaking it is non-existent- but we would recommend it nonetheless. We'd also recommend taking any extra install or thermal protection measure thought to be appropriate, just as our competition would recommend.

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I'm probably in the minority, but would be happy to pay for a shield which was nicely fabbed up and which is proven to fit out of the box in a RHD application. I do understand the majority of your business will be the young kids who want a BFYB mod and want the cheapest option available, but there are still plenty of guys willing to pay for nice bits of engineering for a quality product that's proven to offer improvements.

The other scenario is that a generic shield is supplied, the bits are given to a workshop, they get the shits because it doesn't fit don't have the tools to mod it properly (most mechanics don't have the skills or tools to fabricate/mod components) so out comes the angle grinder and they hack it up and charge an extra hour or so labour. In this scenario it may well work out more expensive then just paying for a nicely fabricated piece which is proven to fit.

I appreciate the fact you use some common sense when you designed your silicon inlets, rather then one of the competitors who went for maximum flow (resulting in a marginally inferior product in terms of fitment issues etc) and you got my business for the silicon inlets. There's no way I would have bought the VRSF inlets they looked woeful in terms of fitment and quality of components etc!

So please engineer a proper RHD solution for the heat shield, heck send your R&D tester a heat shield have them mod it and send it back for you as a RHD prototype?

Once you have this anyone who places an order for the RHD heat shield you will have it.

I'm sure once there's some real data on what this product offers in terms of improvments, there will be some further sales as I'm sure there are a few guys sitting on the fence undecided on purchasing this item.
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I'm probably in the minority, but would be happy to pay for a shield which was nicely fabbed up and which is proven to fit out of the box in a RHD application. I do understand the majority of your business will be the young kids who want a BFYB mod and want the cheapest option available, but there are still plenty of guys willing to pay for nice bits of engineering for a quality product that's proven to offer improvements.

The other scenario is that a generic shield is supplied, the bits are given to a workshop, they get the shits because it doesn't fit don't have the tools to mod it properly (most mechanics don't have the skills or tools to fabricate/mod components) so out comes the angle grinder and they hack it up and charge an extra hour or so labour. In this scenario it may well work out more expensive then just paying for a nicely fabricated piece which is proven to fit.

I appreciate the fact you use some common sense when you designed your silicon inlets, rather then one of the competitors who went for maximum flow (resulting in a marginally inferior product in terms of fitment issues etc) and you got my business for the silicon inlets. There's no way I would have bought the VRSF inlets they looked woeful in terms of fitment and quality of components etc!

So please engineer a proper RHD solution for the heat shield, heck send your R&D tester a heat shield have them mod it and send it back for you as a RHD prototype?

Once you have this anyone who places an order for the RHD heat shield you will have it.

I'm sure once there's some real data on what this product offers in terms of improvments, there will be some further sales as I'm sure there are a few guys sitting on the fence undecided on purchasing this item.
You are certainly the current N54 minority. But as stated if we have a large amount willing to pay for the RHD specific shield- we will make one. Other than that if we have to redesign/produce a batch of 30+ units to find only a couple end up buying then this entire thread/RHD project is a loss for us. The profit margin nor demand is in place for any "projection or production stumblings". In fact it is looking already to be a loss based on the lack of interest (without even making new RHD specific shields). Either way we are 6 days into this thread and 6 more until next Monday which will be the day we order another batch, so lets see if this list can keep growing.

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4) physicxz
5) Hoper
6) Cal1415
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8) JB4-335
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10) Montye90
11) Mark K. (Email)(ER Competition Intercooler, Heat Shield/Bracket)
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I am keen on the heat shield, but would like it modified to fit RHD.
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I am keen on the heat shield, but would like it modified to fit RHD.
If we get 10+ RHD'ers who feel the same and are ready to purchase we will certainly make the part a drop-on install for you.

For those else who are on the list and/or want added please also include the IC you have equipped and if you'd like the optional heat shield/custom WG solenoid bracket. Being a RHD (E82,E90,E92,E93) model on this list is assumed for all.

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I like the heat shield option but my main concern with the heat shield is that I have vents on my bonnet (hood) and it allows a lot of heat to escape out of the engine bay especially the hot side. With the shield in place some of that heat is trapped.

I'm not talking about daily driving but more so on roll racing events when the turbos are producing excessive heat. That's only in my situation though.

Looks easy enough to cut with an angle grinder to clear the steering rack.
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If we get 10+ RHD'ers who feel the same and are ready to purchase we will certainly make the part a drop-on install for you.

For those else who are on the list and/or want added please also include the IC you have equipped and if you'd like the optional heat shield/custom WG solenoid bracket. Being a RHD (E82,E90,E92,E93) model on this list is assumed for all.

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If we get 10 people keen for the heat shield, will the price remain at $100 in order to make it a drop-on fitment?
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I like the heat shield option but my main concern with the heat shield is that I have vents on my bonnet (hood) and it allows a lot of heat to escape out of the engine bay especially the hot side. With the shield in place some of that heat is trapped.

I'm not talking about daily driving but more so on roll racing events when the turbos are producing excessive heat. That's only in my situation though.

Looks easy enough to cut with an angle grinder to clear the steering rack.
All good just whatever is desired is fine by me, just let me know. And yes sir that picture provided was a modification done via an angle grinder modification.

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If we get 10 people keen for the heat shield, will the price remain at $100 in order to make it a drop-on fitment?
As long as we have 10 RHD heat shield purchasers the price indeed will be the same $100 for both the RHD specific heat shield and the custom WG solenoid bracket.
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I believe this is the intercooler I will be going for: Wagner Tuning EVO2
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I believe this is the intercooler I will be going for: Wagner Tuning EVO2
Good choice on the IC. We recently became a Wagner dealer mainly due to this IC.

Are you interested in the heat shield/bracket option?
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GG rob. this is a massive restriction for stock turbo guys!
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As long as we have 10 RHD heat shield purchasers the price indeed will be the same $100 for both the RHD specific heat shield and the custom WG solenoid bracket.
Updated with my outlet options.

List of those interested here:
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Put me down for the RHD heat shield as well Rob. Cheers Russ
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GG rob. this is a massive restriction for stock turbo guys!
Thanks sir. Congrats on your new awesome 1/4 mile world record ET as well!


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3) russjonesr (VRSF 7" Intercooler, Heat shield, custom WG solenoid bracket)
4) physicxz (Wagner EVO 2 Intercooler, Heat shield, custom WG solenoid bracket)
5) Hoper (VRSF 7", Heat shield, custom WG solenoid bracket)
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7) 135 (Angled-style intercooler outlet, Heat shield, custom WG solenoid bracket)
8) JB4-335
9) ABE92
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11) Mark K. (Email)(ER Competition Intercooler, Heat shield, custom WG solenoid bracket)
12) madaz07 (VRSF ?" Intercooler, Heat shield, custom WG solenoid bracket)
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The plan is to still place our order with the vendor early next week.

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Count me in for the custom heatshield. Running a Wagner Evo 2 as well.
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VRSF intercooler,Heat shield, custom WG solenoid bracket

is that what i need im fairly new to this bmw stuff lol

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Better put me down for the heat shield as well
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Apologies Rob 7 inch vrsf intercooler
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Apologies Rob 7 inch vrsf intercooler
Opps yep I'll be running 7" VRSF IC as well
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