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[IK6SPEED]

Originally Posted by jeffblue

Nah the sedan has more room. Hey i'm down for as much tire as possible as long as it can be done right... ie without a ton of neg camber and pulled fenders etc. Your setup looks sick. I have 285/35/18 on 18x10 on my 300zx with a 255/35/18 up front on 18x9", i love having a wide rear setup, looks badass.

i think the 285 is pointless for me, the s-04 in 285 are $80 more expensive per tire plus heavier. Imma go with 255/35/18, thanks guys, now need to just decide on tires and rims.

[jeffblue]

Originally Posted by igor_ki

i think the 285 is pointless for me, the s-04 in 285 are $80 more expensive per tire plus heavier. Imma go with 255/35/18, thanks guys, now need to just decide on tires and rims.

yea i agree, it is pointless for you. heavier, more expensive, etc. 255/35/18 square is the way to go

Get Michelin PSS if u have room for the tire and feel like spending the extra money. Get michelin s-04 if you wanna save some money and the fitment is going to be tight

[IK6SPEED]

Originally Posted by jeffblue

much better. i'm not a huge bridgestone fan either. i've always been gung go michelin. I have had hankook v12 in the past.... these are in another league. if i had to describe the bridgestone s-04 i would say its basically 99% of a michelin pilot supersport for like 75% of the price. my friend who was gung ho PSS suggested i get them. i have had them for a while and everyone i have recommended them to has been very happy with them.

They are basically the second best max performance summer tire around, 1st being the michelin PSS. if you wanna be hardcore and get hankook rs3's or advan neova and spend more money for less treadware for performance you won't really notice on the street then you can, but IMO they are the best value high performance street tire. i wouldn't recommend a tire that wasn't good.

i wouldn't ever consider hankook v12's again, and i highly recommend these.... so my opinion speaks for itself in many ways

hmm, this is intersting, how is the grip in wet or dry? turn in response and thread life? are they noisy and harsh or not?

and what was so wrong with v12evo's?

[IK6SPEED]

Originally Posted by jeffblue

yea i agree, it is pointless for you. heavier, more expensive, etc. 255/35/18 square is the way to go

Get Michelin PSS if u have room for the tire and feel like spending the extra money. Get michelin s-04 if you wanna save some money and the fitment is going to be tight

well im guesing the fitment issue will only be present in the front as a 19x9 et31 or so wheel should have room to spare in the back.

i had PS2's before and i liked them, very grippy.

[jeffblue]

Originally Posted by igor_ki

hmm, this is intersting, how is the grip in wet or dry? turn in response and thread life? are they noisy and harsh or not?

and what was so wrong with v12evo's?

its very good. idont really push my car in the wet, but i dont necessarily drive super slow either. Cornering is very precise, and i honestly dont really notice much of a difference in performance between them and PSS. they are maybe a tiny bit noisier than PSS but you'd only notice it really if u had a tesla lol. if you're in a 335 with downpipes or an exhaust its completely unnoticeable. treadlife seems good. not really any noticeable wear, have had them on for a few months.

V12 evos used to be a good budget tire. They were good for the money... now they cost almost as much as much better tires. I would put v12 evo above nankang garbage... but they just aren't worth the money anymore. They are mediocre performing and used to be priced accordingly. they aren't any better than they used to be, but they cost more.

[Fozzy]

Originally Posted by igor_ki

yea while soft sidewalls are comfy the ride feels floaty so i guess thats a No for the DW's. Im just not a fan of Bridgestone's, i had a set on a honda and thewy were harsh and crappy handling, then got some hankook v4es and it was so much better. How do the s-04's compare to v12evo's?

I've had v12 and now DW, have to say I like the DW better, PSS were 20% more, so I figured it wasn't worth it. Now I debate that as I like the thick look of PSS.

BTW I run 225 8.5/ 255 9.5 18" summer and square winter 225/ 17" run flats. I have gone 235/265 19" but for daily driver found it to grip very nicely, but wanted to lose the extra weight. Can feel a little bit of the understeer when pushed on staggered, but for some reason I keep going staggered. Ultimately I do like the dish/ concave more than the very minor loss of handling on occasion.
I like the current 225/255 set up a lot.
On KW v1.

[jeffblue]

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=661793

[IK6SPEED]

Originally Posted by jeffblue

its very good. idont really push my car in the wet, but i dont necessarily drive super slow either. Cornering is very precise, and i honestly dont really notice much of a difference in performance between them and PSS. they are maybe a tiny bit noisier than PSS but you'd only notice it really if u had a tesla lol. if you're in a 335 with downpipes or an exhaust its completely unnoticeable. treadlife seems good. not really any noticeable wear, have had them on for a few months.

V12 evos used to be a good budget tire. They were good for the money... now they cost almost as much as much better tires. I would put v12 evo above nankang garbage... but they just aren't worth the money anymore. They are mediocre performing and used to be priced accordingly. they aren't any better than they used to be, but they cost more.

this makes perfect sense. thats very weird that they would up price a tire after time. i noticed the michelins PS2 at tire rack are $350-450 a tire!!!

[Joe NYCALIVE]

so i ended up going square on a set of reps for now just to see how i like it before buying my other wheels.

i'm running 18x9 25et all around with 225/40/18 all around on KW v3

[850CSi]

Can someone offer a total n00b here some advice?

I have a bone stock 325i (pre-LCI of course), standard non-sport suspension. I'm currently on 159s (17x8; et 34; 225/45/17).

I have wanted Style 67s (E46 M3 wheels) for the better part of a decade and the time is right because my front tires are completely worn out. There's a set of 18s near me with fresh tires on them.

A) Do I run a staggered setup (or try to find four fronts)? Will it affect my handling?
I realize I'd need spacers for the fronts. My understanding is that the rears will fit just fine and won't rub on a pre-LCI with my suspension?

B) How much of a concern is larger wheel diameter? The wheels currently have 225/45/18 fronts and 255/40/18 rears. That's good for a ~3-4% diameter difference. Is that a potential issue? Would it be better to run 225/40/18 and 255/35/18 respectively?

[IK6SPEED]

If mine was rwd i would run staggered, its safer as it reduces understeer and wheel spin, it also looks much better than skinny 225 in the rear. As others have stated, square set up will give you a more balanced handling car, itll be more playful and u could kick the rear out more easily. I'm not sure if it will rub or not, i think it shouldnt but dont take my word for it. The difference would be like 2mph on the speedo, ur sidewall will be taller, if your not lowered you should be able to clear that, check how tall ur tire is and if its taller than 225/40/18

Originally Posted by igor_ki

If mine was rwd i would run staggered, its safer as it reduces understeer and wheel spin, it also looks much better than skinny 225 in the rear. As others have stated, square set up will give you a more balanced handling car, itll be more playful and u could kick the rear out more easily. I'm not sure if it will rub or not, i think it shouldnt but dont take my word for it. The difference would be like 2mph on the speedo, ur sidewall will be taller, if your not lowered you should be able to clear that, check how tall ur tire is and if its taller than 225/40/18

Wat?

[IK6SPEED]

Originally Posted by FCobra94

Wat?

You mean "what?"

[ThatRWD]

Since our car is front engine and you can run 255 square on a rwd 335i why would that cause understeer?

Originally Posted by ThatRWD

Since our car is front engine and you can run 255 square on a rwd 335i why would that cause understeer?

lol trolls gonna troll...that's why.

[J3]

Originally Posted by igor_ki

If mine was rwd i would run staggered, its safer as it reduces understeer and wheel spin, it also looks much better than skinny 225 in the rear. As others have stated, square set up will give you a more balanced handling car, itll be more playful and u could kick the rear out more easily. I'm not sure if it will rub or not, i think it shouldnt but dont take my word for it. The difference would be like 2mph on the speedo, ur sidewall will be taller, if your not lowered you should be able to clear that, check how tall ur tire is and if its taller than 225/40/18

I think you meant reduces oversteer

[J3]

Originally Posted by Nonecure

My 285's work just fine with stock camber and no roll. I personally love the look of meaty tires. I don't track anymore, but for spirited driving with DSC off, they work out nice. You can put 305's on the back if you get the right offset, but 285's and possibly 295's is the best you can do with EC-7 on a LCI.

Apex EC-7 wheels and PSS tires:
245/40-18 x 9 et 31
285/35-18 x 10 et 43

Still can't get over how these 285s with no run. Anymore pics??

[IK6SPEED]

Originally Posted by J3

I think you meant reduces oversteer

yep, thats what i meant, i wanted to say induces understeer

[Nonecure]

Originally Posted by J3

Still can't get over how these 285s with no run. Anymore pics??

How about this ass shot!

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[asus389]

Square setup is almost always better than a staggered setup unless you have trouble putting down power in the rear. In a RWD 325/328i or xi its definitely not a problem. In a 335xi I doubt thats is a problem due to the AWD. In a RWD 335i its also probably not a problem if you have sticky tires, although in theory it could be.

When you move from square to staggered you give up some of the neutral handling these cars have as it induces more understeer. You also lose the ability to cross rotate your tires, although you can cross them on the same axle which will help with noise.

TLDR; staggered is mostly for looks.

[DrRobert]

I'm thinking of going square on my RWD LCI 335i sedan in order to reduce understeer. It has modded engine and suspension, and is lowered 1/2" from sport suspension height. I have otherwise tried to maintain a stock appearance with the car. It has the OEM staggered 287 star-spoke rims, 18x8 ET34 front and 18x8.5 ET39 rear. Tires are Michelin PSS 225/40/18 front and 255/35/18 rear. I am going to change to a stickier tire (Bridgestone RE-11) in order to improve traction on the drive wheels.

I'm thinking of picking up another pair of the 18x8.5" rear wheels to replace the fronts and go with 255/35/18 tires all around. The wheel offset calculator said the 255s will increase my front tire width 11 mm on the strut side and 1 mm on the fender side compared to the 225s. My mechanic said it looked like I have 17 mm between the tire and the front struts. The overall diameter of the RE-11 255s is 1 mm less than what I have in front now. Below is a picture of my car and the tire clearances.

Will this setup work on my car without rubbing in front? Mechanic said that it still could rub with braking even though the measurements look OK (?). I don't know what the ET numbers mean, or how the discussion in this thread about square vs. staggered for AWD cars would differ for RWD cars. Since several people said that 255/35/18 square works well on a 335xi LCI, I imagine it would work on a 335i LCI as well, but want to be sure before spending the money.

Thanks guys,
Robert

[Nonecure]

Originally Posted by asus389

TLDR; staggered is mostly for looks.

Staggered is mostly for looks, well maybe.

It depends on how much how much power you are putting down and your driving style. I had a square setup until i started hitting the higher whp levels and found my back end going wide coming out of corners. If you have 245's in the front, you will not push into a turn any faster if you have 245' or 285's in the rear. The front traction will remain the same regardless what is on the rear.

For me, this setup is for looks and to fit how I want my car to handle. I can still get some wheel spin with PSS on dry pavement, so I don't have too much tire on my car. A turbo car running extra boost is not as easy to control the power when coming out of a corner. A little bit too much throttle will get you sideways, and that is not good on a city street.

If someone is running stock hp, then it would definitely be more for looks.