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      11-30-2010, 03:06 PM   #45
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the 335i should never come with the base stereo
this is the most premium (and most expensive) 3 series
at least Hifi
That's true, and even BMW knew that for at least 10 years (since the E46 with HiFi standard) in the USA and then in September of 2009 it just said f**k it.

Not only they removed the Logic7 as standard equipment in all the top 3-Series, but they made the crappiest sound system possible standard equipment in $50,000 cars... even the new X5 had a 6-speaker system.

What I really don't understand is that a BMW Professional HU used to be the top HU in everything (power output, sound quality) but in the Stereo system it simply sounds castrated, like it is in fact a Business model with the Professional label hand painted with a Sharpie on it. A 8W RMS/15W per channel max output IC amp is a disgrace in 2010; my 2010 VW CC has a RNS-510 Nav system that has the same IC amp series as the JBL MS-8, and it is technically capable of up to 72W per channel at 2 ohms: in the RNS-510 the power is limited to 20W RMS/40W max and in the MS-8 is 30W RMS/60W max at 2 ohms). The RNS-510 powers 8 speakers (2 pairs of 2 ohms components) and the sound quality is pretty impressive at high volumes with just deck power, especially the bass.

This is the kind of decontenting that should not be done in a premium market...
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That's true, and even BMW knew that for at least 10 years (since the E46 with HiFi standard) in the USA and then in September of 2009 it just said f**k it.

Not only they removed the Logic7 as standard equipment in all the top 3-Series, but they made the crappiest sound system possible standard equipment in $50,000 cars... even the new X5 had a 6-speaker system.

What I really don't understand is that a BMW Professional HU used to be the top HU in everything (power output, sound quality) but in the Stereo system it simply sounds castrated, like it is in fact a Business model with the Professional label hand painted with a Sharpie on it. A 8W RMS/15W per channel max output IC amp is a disgrace in 2010; my 2010 VW CC has a RNS-510 Nav system that has the same IC amp series as the JBL MS-8, and it is technically capable of up to 72W per channel at 2 ohms: in the RNS-510 the power is limited to 20W RMS/40W max and in the MS-8 is 30W RMS/60W max at 2 ohms). The RNS-510 powers 8 speakers (2 pairs of 2 ohms components) and the sound quality is pretty impressive at high volumes with just deck power, especially the bass.

This is the kind of decontenting that should not be done in a premium market...
heck
i've heard more impressive audio in a base aftermarket head unit
get the cheapest sony or pioneer etc and it will run rings around the base audio
shame
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      12-04-2010, 02:15 AM   #47
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It is also my opinion that just a MS-8 with a decent front component set -and using one of the replaced OEM speakers as the center channel- can satisfy most owners of the Stereo system in a budget.
Well, I'm going to heed your advice - will likely get the MS-8. Right now, I'm putting together a list of parts that I'll need. I'll PM you regarding a harness soon.

BTW, I took the blank center speaker cover off the dash and noticed a free plug. If that's for the center channel, how is it currently hooked up to the OEM HU outputs? Is it in parallel to the front channel? Anyways, when I get your harness, will it also take into account the wiring for the center channel?
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      12-04-2010, 08:22 AM   #48
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Well, I'm going to heed your advice - will likely get the MS-8. Right now, I'm putting together a list of parts that I'll need. I'll PM you regarding a harness soon.

BTW, I took the blank center speaker cover off the dash and noticed a free plug. If that's for the center channel, how is it currently hooked up to the OEM HU outputs? Is it in parallel to the front channel? Anyways, when I get your harness, will it also take into account the wiring for the center channel?
Most probably that free plug is not a center channel speaker harness. Check that cover or the bracket for that cover, that plug may be the connector for the sun sensor of the climate control that somehow got disconnected when you removed that cover.

To correct myself, the door OEM speaker does not fit in the center speaker mount.
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To correct myself, the door OEM speaker does not fit in the center speaker mount.
Yeah, someone mentioned that in the forums as well. Looks like I'll need to get one more speaker. That's ok. It's starting to get exciting putting the plan together and gathering parts.
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All I know is there's nothing more disheartening then spending 40k + on a car and having a hotel room iPod plugin sound better - waiting to make an epic 5 posts so I can PM VPelectricity.
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I completed my fix for this problem a few months ago. I replaced both door and rear speakers with Infinity 4012i"s and the sound is fantastic, and it cost less than $100 to complete the whole job. No more popping, and that was the big one, getting rid of that f'n popping. No problems since.


, , Just a note, don't just do the doors, I did that but I still got some popping, complete the rear deck as well to fix the problem.


The speakers, , http://www.amazon.com/Infinity-Refer.../dp/B0009ESMFM
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I completed my fix for this problem a few months ago. I replaced both door and rear speakers with Infinity 4012i"s and the sound is fantastic, and it cost less than $100 to complete the whole job. No more popping, and that was the big one, and getting rid of that f'n popping. No problems since.


, , Just a note, don't just do the doors, I did that but I still got some popping, complete the rear deck as well to fix the problem.


The speakers, , http://www.amazon.com/Infinity-Refer.../dp/B0009ESMFM
I see you have a E90. I seem to recall reading that the mounting depth for a E92 335i is shallower? Can anyone confirm this? Technic?
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I see you have a E90. I seem to recall reading that the mounting depth for a E92 335i is shallower? Can anyone confirm this? Technic?
It is significantly shallower. I don't know of a coax that fits in there other than the Morel integra 4 with Technic's rings and grille mods. Another reason we use components (other than that they actually sound better).

Of course, "the popping went away" is kind of a low bar for sonic improvement anyway. I know he said they sound amazing... but I've heard those speakers. They only sound amazing next to the horrid sound the car had before, I'm afraid.
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It is significantly shallower. I don't know of a coax that fits in there other than the Morel integra 4 with Technic's rings and grille mods. Another reason we use components (other than that they actually sound better).

Of course, "the popping went away" is kind of a low bar for sonic improvement anyway. I know he said they sound amazing... but I've heard those speakers. They only sound amazing next to the horrid sound the car had before, I'm afraid.
Is there a list of component speakers that fit e92 fronts? I saw a list when I searched but I think it's for e90 only.
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What do you think about the bsw speakers? I am looking to upgrade my stereo system but have no idea what to get. the bsw speakers price is reasonable. Does anyone have experience with them?
The standard speakers are just s**t. I really didnt expect to get such s***ty speakers when buying a 335is. I'm embarrassed to play music when i have friends in the car. Its that bad..
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What do you think about the bsw speakers? I am looking to upgrade my stereo system but have no idea what to get. the bsw speakers price is reasonable. Does anyone have experience with them?
The standard speakers are just s**t. I really didnt expect to get such s***ty speakers when buying a 335is. I'm embarrassed to play music when i have friends in the car. Its that bad..
I have the bsw Stage 1 Audio Upgrade for my 3.28i. The stock system only had six speakers; four midranges (two on the door and two in the back), and two bass drivers(under the seat). I have to say the stock system is pathetic. The bsw's come with 4 tweeters as well and instructions to install them. If your car does not come with the grill to harness the tweeters on the front door, bsw will send OEM door rails for them. The speakers are great.
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What do you think about the bsw speakers? I am looking to upgrade my stereo system but have no idea what to get. the bsw speakers price is reasonable. Does anyone have experience with them?
The standard speakers are just s**t. I really didnt expect to get such s***ty speakers when buying a 335is. I'm embarrassed to play music when i have friends in the car. Its that bad..
Oh and you do not have to upgrade the amplifier because the speakers are fine tuned to work with your stock amplifier.
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Oh and you do not have to upgrade the amplifier because the speakers are fine tuned to work with your stock amplifier.
That's marketing hype. Those speakers are not "tuned" for anything and I believe they are also used in the Hifi and L7 systems, which happen to be driven by more powerful amplification than the base system.
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Oh and you do not have to upgrade the amplifier because the speakers are fine tuned to work with your stock amplifier.
The base stereo's treble and bass are heavily boosted from the HU. So ideally you should undo the equalization first.

Anyways, how did the BSW set sound on your base system? I assume you did not add an amplifier?
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Is there anyone in Atlanta...

That can do this sort of job?

Fix the e90 disaster crappy stereo system for around $1200??

If so, please email me!
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This forum is GREAT!

Giving me all sorts of ideas on how to best/most economically improve the weak sound of my 2011 335i Base Sound.
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I am also looking into about upgrading by basic system, to my 2011 328i. I have been looking into speaker sets and I am finding pricing from $800 to $600. There has to be a better way.
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I am also looking into about upgrading by basic system, to my 2011 328i. I have been looking into speaker sets and I am finding pricing from $800 to $600. There has to be a better way.
Did you end up upgrading?
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