SOFL 335 vs S4

stillclaimndp · 12-25-2007, 04:25 PM

well you can see from a roll the 335i is slightly quicker, hey guys you know what would be a better comparison than a jsb2 or procede car would just be a car with filter and catback, that would be a great rematch! far more fair since s4 doesn't have a tune and we all know what 335i's do with a tune...

e90AW335i · 12-25-2007, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by stillclaimndp

well you can see from a roll the 335i is slightly quicker, hey guys you know what would be a better comparison than a jsb2 or procede car would just be a car with filter and catback, that would be a great rematch! far more fair since s4 doesn't have a tune and we all know what 335i's do with a tune...

+1, send someone out there with a drop in, exhaust, and 1/4 tank of gas.....

stillclaimndp · 12-25-2007, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by kyleh4852

+1, send someone out there with a drop in, exhaust, and 1/4 tank of gas.....

yeah no one has really identified what that does to the car becuase it's way cheaper per hp to get a tune but maybe someone with sstt and catback and filter can clip out their sstt? this would be very interesting to me!

E90ice · 12-25-2007, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Sniz

gotta disagree on that one, maybe stock, not if he is chipped. Mashing the gas in 1st at 20mph will only result in wheelspin and a quick trip to the rev limiter. At least thats my experience. 20mph is 2nd gear material for me, let your tq run you all the way to 60mph in 1 gear, not 2, save a shift.

+1

SCCAForums.com · 12-25-2007, 05:07 PM

Yes, it's because he was stock... + Passenger + 3/4 Tank... 1st Gear would have been easy... and the car would have jumped hard on the S4...

Momentum is a bitch to make up... and starting in 2nd... always gave the 'momentum' to the S4 in these races.

Dave

b18b1ex · 12-25-2007, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by kyleh4852

+1, send someone out there with a drop in, exhaust, and 1/4 tank of gas.....

I'm game.

b18b1ex · 12-25-2007, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SCCAForums.com

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We've all beat cars we shouldn't have... here and there... but truth be known... this guy (B18... sorry)... has nothing for a modified 335i... and he admits it... and honestly... he won't have anything for anyone who can drive the 335i... stock.

The kid was 17... and hopefully learned a lot by this running.

Dave

I said this before, this was not a fluke, if you have someone else to try this I'm here all week, until friday. I will say it again a tuned 335 will beat me, one with a dropin filter and a catback who knows. All I have ever said was that this particular s4 is faster than most, that is one reason I have refused to change anything, It has also beat chipped s4's with dp's and exhausts. I don't know why but would you complain?

SCCAForums.com · 12-25-2007, 07:11 PM

Where are you going after Friday? Coming out west by any chance?

Based on the video to me... your car did not seem any quicker than any other S4 I've run... if the driver is decent they can stay close... but they will get pulled from 50MPH on clearly...

your car makes 290HP... mine stock makes 279RWHP... and weighs 3604... to your 3840! do the math... 10HP... and 200+ pounds... is not going to be your car in front... or any S4... send any and every on my way... I'm in the Phx area... and will race track, street, road course... what's your pleasure.

But again... I believe you can shift well... and I believe the 17 year old could not.

As I've posted many times... Most BMW drivers shouldn't even have 6 speed manuals!

E90ice · 12-25-2007, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SCCAForums.com

Where are you going after Friday? Coming out west by any chance?

Based on the video to me... your car did not seem any quicker than any other S4 I've run... if the driver is decent they can stay close... but they will get pulled from 50MPH on clearly...

your car makes 290HP... mine stock makes 279RWHP... and weighs 3604... to your 3840! do the math... 10HP... and 200+ pounds... is not going to be your car in front... or any S4... send any and every on my way... I'm in the Phx area... and will race track, street, road course... what's your pleasure.

But again... I believe you can shift well... and I believe the 17 year old could not.

As I've posted many times... Most BMW drivers shouldn't even have 6 speed manuals!

Cash's car is AT.

Mr. 5 · 12-25-2007, 07:16 PM

Very similar in performance from what I saw.
I was right about the S4 pulling at high end because of the extra hp.
Great runs!

SCCAForums.com · 12-25-2007, 07:23 PM

thanks e90.. yeah... I just re-read his original post... yeah... later he mentioned messing up the 2nd gear thing... and so I thought he was talking about shifting...

E90ice · 12-25-2007, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SCCAForums.com

thanks e90.. yeah... I just re-read his original post... yeah... later he mentioned messing up the 2nd gear thing... and so I thought he was talking about shifting...

Well, the runs that were a success, I see the two cars pretty even. Of course the Audi guy claims the air filter and exhaust don't make any power. I don't believe that. Most S4 don't dyno stock at 292whp. They dyno around 270-ish whp. So he makes about 20whp over stock + less rotational mass from the lightweight wheels.

stillclaimndp · 12-25-2007, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by b18b1ex

All I have ever said was that this particular s4 is faster than most, that is one reason I have refused to change anything, It has also beat chipped s4's with dp's and exhausts. I don't know why but would you complain?

that's always nice

stillclaimndp · 12-25-2007, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by E90ice

Well, the runs that were a success, I see the two cars pretty even. Of course the Audi guy claims the air filter and exhaust don't make any power. I don't believe that. Most S4 don't dyno stock at 292whp. They dyno around 270-ish whp. So he makes about 20whp over stock + less rotational mass from the lightweight wheels.

he didn't say his mods didn't add power, he said WE said his mods didn't matter, which we did, and i realized after that when shopping for exhaust the guys all told me that it really transforms the powerband on that car and eliminates the problem lag that is inherent in the s4 (i think due to drive by wire?)... b18 did you by any chance dyno your car prior to the exhaust + filter?

CarbonE39m5 · 12-25-2007, 10:01 PM

I would do these races again on a more secluded road.. Its hard when your on a highway and cars are coming so you can't be stopped for to long and you have to break torque, look at the rpms, honk and then go.. And the whole time ur worried about cops.. But oh well I thought I did alright. Someone else with the jb2 or something should run him this week.. I would really like to see the difference.. We should really make this happen..

B'CahiLL-The Boss · 12-26-2007, 01:35 AM

You suck at Driving.

oh well. 335 is way faster.

Just to let you know how much faster. I raced a 2005+ ZCP M3 vs my 335 Coupe 6 speed manual. I killed the M3 by multiple car-lengths... here in WA.

B'CahiLL-The Boss · 12-26-2007, 01:42 AM

I got wasted by an S4 like this avant. however the imola yellow sedan that beat my 335 pretty bad... I'm all stock, eagerly trying to decide what ecu I want to upgrade to. Now the Procede has a 1.48 version available. and the V1.47 with 2.03 =)

I'm just gonna get the V1.47 and forget about it. Upgrade to the V2.03 drive around with the mapping at 100%

E90 335i · 12-26-2007, 08:27 AM

It would be my pleasure to destroy B18 but I get back in town on Sunday.

I will have catless DP, exhaust cutouts with external wastegates, JB2H, and VIP Tuning CAI.....not sure if that S4 is going to even be able to read my 335 badge he'll be disappearing so quickly.

I raced a silver S4 murdered out (dark tint) with exhaust only and I walked him so hard he didn't know what hit him. I think that was with JB2 and catback exhaust only.

Too bad I'm in on Sunday and I am having my cutouts/wastegates installed as soon as I get home.

Nice runs, but the OP needs to become a little more familiar with the AT.

b18b1ex · 12-26-2007, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by E90 335i

It would be my pleasure to destroy B18 but I get back in town on Sunday.

I will have catless DP, exhaust cutouts with external wastegates, JB2H, and VIP Tuning CAI.....not sure if that S4 is going to even be able to read my 335 badge he'll be disappearing so quickly.

I raced a silver S4 murdered out (dark tint) with exhaust only and I walked him so hard he didn't know what hit him. I think that was with JB2 and catback exhaust only.

Too bad I'm in on Sunday and I am having my cutouts/wastegates installed as soon as I get home.

Nice runs, but the OP needs to become a little more familiar with the AT.

As I'm unfamiliar with the 335's tuning options other than Active and Vishnu, what is this JB2 you speak of?

b18b1ex · 12-26-2007, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by stillclaimndp

he didn't say his mods didn't add power, he said WE said his mods didn't matter, which we did, and i realized after that when shopping for exhaust the guys all told me that it really transforms the powerband on that car and eliminates the problem lag that is inherent in the s4 (i think due to drive by wire?)... b18 did you by any chance dyno your car prior to the exhaust + filter?

I never dynoed the car before because, just like you guys I did not feel it would be a significant difference. I loved the sound when I heard another S4 and had to have it.

NYCGarbagePrince · 12-26-2007, 09:40 AM

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Too bad I'm in on Sunday and I am having my cutouts/wastegates installed as soon as I get home.

Hey, have you seen my car over there? i am getting serious separation anxiety. Driving around a 4cyl passat is very hard. Car has been undergoing a lot of work and can't wait to post up results.

BTW.. All you in South Florida. I will be trying to set up a Dyno day at USP Motorsports either in the middle of January or the end of January. Trying to get 10-15 people there. Can make it an all day thing with BBQ and what not. I will be making an official post with all the details in the S.FL section but shoot me a PM if you are interested.

Soni · 12-26-2007, 09:59 AM

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As I'm unfamiliar with the 335's tuning options other than Active and Vishnu, what is this JB2 you speak of?

just another choice of piggyback add-ons.

12-25-2007, 04:25 PM	#45
stillclaimndp Dancing Machine 47 Rep 1,419 Posts Drives: 335i e90 ZSP Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Walnut Creek, Ca iTrader: (0)	well you can see from a roll the 335i is slightly quicker, hey guys you know what would be a better comparison than a jsb2 or procede car would just be a car with filter and catback, that would be a great rematch! far more fair since s4 doesn't have a tune and we all know what 335i's do with a tune... __________________ 2007 e90 & 1981 Corvette Predecessors: 2007 BMW 335i E92, 2006 M5, 2008 Viper SRT10 Coupe, 2005 Viper Yellow, 2006 Corvette Z51, 2009 Challenger SRT8, 2006 S4, 2001.5 Nogaro Blue S4, 2006 GTI w/ DSG, 06 Evo IX, 04 S4, 04 911x51, 03 Evo VIII, 98 Eclipse GSX, 96 GST, 92 Galant Vr-4, '70 Grand Prix Model J, '70 Nova, '68 Firebird
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SCCAForums.com Captain 39 Rep 726 Posts Drives: Race Cars Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Chandler, AZ iTrader: (2)	Yes, it's because he was stock... + Passenger + 3/4 Tank... 1st Gear would have been easy... and the car would have jumped hard on the S4... Momentum is a bitch to make up... and starting in 2nd... always gave the 'momentum' to the S4 in these races. Dave __________________ 2010 ZR1 3ZR Wht/Blk 10.7 @ 132 2011 C63 AMG P31 Car Blk/Blk 11.8 @ 117 2010 Nissan GT-R 10.8 @ 129 (Sold) 2008 Lexus IS-F (Sold) 12.5 @ 113 / 2008 Shelby GT500 (Sold) 11.3 @ 126 2008 e90 M3 6MT 12.8 @ 111 (Sold) / 2006 e60 M5 12.4 @ 114 (Sold)
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SCCAForums.com Captain 39 Rep 726 Posts Drives: Race Cars Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Chandler, AZ iTrader: (2)	Where are you going after Friday? Coming out west by any chance? Based on the video to me... your car did not seem any quicker than any other S4 I've run... if the driver is decent they can stay close... but they will get pulled from 50MPH on clearly... your car makes 290HP... mine stock makes 279RWHP... and weighs 3604... to your 3840! do the math... 10HP... and 200+ pounds... is not going to be your car in front... or any S4... send any and every on my way... I'm in the Phx area... and will race track, street, road course... what's your pleasure. But again... I believe you can shift well... and I believe the 17 year old could not. As I've posted many times... Most BMW drivers shouldn't even have 6 speed manuals! __________________ 2010 ZR1 3ZR Wht/Blk 10.7 @ 132 2011 C63 AMG P31 Car Blk/Blk 11.8 @ 117 2010 Nissan GT-R 10.8 @ 129 (Sold) 2008 Lexus IS-F (Sold) 12.5 @ 113 / 2008 Shelby GT500 (Sold) 11.3 @ 126 2008 e90 M3 6MT 12.8 @ 111 (Sold) / 2006 e60 M5 12.4 @ 114 (Sold)
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SCCAForums.com Captain 39 Rep 726 Posts Drives: Race Cars Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Chandler, AZ iTrader: (2)	thanks e90.. yeah... I just re-read his original post... yeah... later he mentioned messing up the 2nd gear thing... and so I thought he was talking about shifting... __________________ 2010 ZR1 3ZR Wht/Blk 10.7 @ 132 2011 C63 AMG P31 Car Blk/Blk 11.8 @ 117 2010 Nissan GT-R 10.8 @ 129 (Sold) 2008 Lexus IS-F (Sold) 12.5 @ 113 / 2008 Shelby GT500 (Sold) 11.3 @ 126 2008 e90 M3 6MT 12.8 @ 111 (Sold) / 2006 e60 M5 12.4 @ 114 (Sold)
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CarbonE39m5 Lieutenant 36 Rep 540 Posts Drives: E92 335i/ 08' 528i Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Naples, Florida iTrader: (4)	I would do these races again on a more secluded road.. Its hard when your on a highway and cars are coming so you can't be stopped for to long and you have to break torque, look at the rpms, honk and then go.. And the whole time ur worried about cops.. But oh well I thought I did alright. Someone else with the jb2 or something should run him this week.. I would really like to see the difference.. We should really make this happen..
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B'CahiLL-The Boss First Lieutenant 61 Rep 300 Posts Drives: M6 with Kellener's - next. AW Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: CA iTrader: (0)	You suck at Driving. oh well. 335 is way faster. Just to let you know how much faster. I raced a 2005+ ZCP M3 vs my 335 Coupe 6 speed manual. I killed the M3 by multiple car-lengths... here in WA. __________________ My 2011 reality dream car: F430 black. Brand new.
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B'CahiLL-The Boss First Lieutenant 61 Rep 300 Posts Drives: M6 with Kellener's - next. AW Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: CA iTrader: (0)	I got wasted by an S4 like this avant. however the imola yellow sedan that beat my 335 pretty bad... I'm all stock, eagerly trying to decide what ecu I want to upgrade to. Now the Procede has a 1.48 version available. and the V1.47 with 2.03 =) I'm just gonna get the V1.47 and forget about it. Upgrade to the V2.03 drive around with the mapping at 100% __________________ My 2011 reality dream car: F430 black. Brand new.
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12-26-2007, 08:27 AM	#62
E90 335i Banned 32 Rep 559 Posts Drives: 2007 E90 335i Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Fort Lauderdale, Florida iTrader: (0)	It would be my pleasure to destroy B18 but I get back in town on Sunday. I will have catless DP, exhaust cutouts with external wastegates, JB2H, and VIP Tuning CAI.....not sure if that S4 is going to even be able to read my 335 badge he'll be disappearing so quickly. I raced a silver S4 murdered out (dark tint) with exhaust only and I walked him so hard he didn't know what hit him. I think that was with JB2 and catback exhaust only. Too bad I'm in on Sunday and I am having my cutouts/wastegates installed as soon as I get home. Nice runs, but the OP needs to become a little more familiar with the AT.
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